Europe, Referendum & Brexit (formerly Europe..IN or OUT??)

(04-05-2017 01:07 )wackawoo Wrote:  Even the most sceptical have had to ackowledge that post Brexit vote wasn't as bad as expected and EVERYBODY expected it to be bad, and that was what I stated. Wasn't the least serious recession in 2008?

But as Silent Majority put it, we haven't left yet. And things are already going bad..!
But I'm sure if things improve in 2019 you'll get lots of "we're really sorry, wackawoo".

Quote:As for attacks, like I say, the remainer propergandist like to find has many incidents as it possibly can and fill newspapers as much as possible with it.

How many attacks have there been? how many imigrants are there? clocking 4 million EU members alone.

So remainers tell propaganda and leavers tell the truth?

Any attacks are too many, if it's your head getting kicked in. Nobody, but nobody, has ever seriously argued "well, I might be getting booted in the nuts, but at least the other 3.9 million are OK"

(04-05-2017 07:59 )Doddle Wrote:  Any attacks are too many

Oddly enough, that was the case before the referendum but the BBC, Guardian etc only bothered covering a small minority of the worst cases.

(04-05-2017 07:59 )Doddle Wrote:  But as Silent Majority put it, we haven't left yet. And things are already going bad..!
But I'm sure if things improve in 2019 you'll get lots of "we're really sorry, wackawoo".

Do I really have to repeat myself to you as well, Doddle? I know we are in EU I was pointing this out the day after the vote when the pound was dropping. And people have been blaming Brexit it for every ill since - when it isn't; we haven't even left the EU yet.

This is not about Brexit being bad for the UK, I have consitantly stated you cannot know the future, however, it is now pretty clear that the EU have no intention of wanting an amical agreement, they are goign through with thier threat to punish the UK and EVERBODY in it. Am I the only one to understand just how appaling that is? Quite frankly I'm amazed that's not illegal under intrernational law.

I feel so strongly about how unfair and unneccesary about the EU syance toward the UK that if by some quirk fate a lab/ labour pack got in on the 8th (which could undeed happen) and they got a second referendum I would vote Brexit it in an heartbeat then try and sneak in and vote again. Before my heart was out but my head was, why upset the apple cart. But you can't deal with people whose idea of deplomacy is the try and blackmail, take an hostile punishment attitude and demand unreasonable demands and there way BEFORE they decide they want to negotiate. The others would cower I hope May wont.

In the long run, the Uk will recover and I think in the long run the EU will struggle, you don't lose the second biggest contributer and it not have any affext long term, Germany doesn't even pay what it owes nato.

Quote:So remainers tell propaganda and leavers tell the truth?

I very rarely see anything in the press from the Brexit side, it's vitually all remainer propaganda.

Quote:Any attacks are too many, if it's your head getting kicked in. Nobody, but nobody, has ever seriously argued "well, I might be getting booted in the nuts, but at least the other 3.9 million are OK"

Yeah, any attacks anywere over anything are too many, the world should be at complete peace and lamb and lion should lie down together; but this is not about an individual attack, do you think all people are serial killers becasue there is serial killers? guess what? humans are scum and they will always, attack, beat up and rape and kill one another as long as they have air in their lungs.

It's hardly kristallnacht out there, even though you'd think it was if some media and people would be believe. By far the majority, virtually all of them can live perfectly peacefully and un molested in the UK. Yes, it's shitty for the person getting kicked in the nuts, but it's not representative.

It's interesting to note you didn't answer if you personally had witnessed any attacks on imigrant becasue i know I certainly haven't, if anyhting the opposite, people seem to over fawn over imigrants to make a show of hoe non racist they are; equating a vote for Brexit with zenophobic racism, depite it being about number control unfortunately people believe it's all about race due to the media.

(04-05-2017 12:54 )wackawoo Wrote:  I feel so strongly about how unfair and unneccesary about the EU syance toward the UK that if by some quirk fate a lab/ labour pack got in on the 8th (which could undeed happen) and they got a second referendum I would vote Brexit it in an heartbeat then try and sneak in and vote again. Before my heart was out but my head was, why upset the apple cart. But you can't deal with people whose idea of deplomacy is the try and blackmail, take an hostile punishment attitude and demand unreasonable demands and there way BEFORE they decide they want to negotiate. The others would cower I hope May wont.

Ffs stop hyperventilating and get a grip. It's all just game-playing at this stage, on both sides

(04-05-2017 12:54 )wackawoo Wrote:  This is not about Brexit being bad for the UK, I have consitantly stated you cannot know the future, however, it is now pretty clear that the EU have no intention of wanting an amical agreement, they are goign through with thier threat to punish the UK and EVERBODY in it. Am I the only one to understand just how appaling that is? Quite frankly I'm amazed that's not illegal under intrernational law.

So you cannot know the future but you think the EU are going to punish the UK?

Quote: I very rarely see anything in the press from the Brexit side, it's vitually all remainer propaganda.

I'd be curious which press you're reading, the Express, Mail, Sun etc are all pro-Brexit.

(04-05-2017 13:49 )The Silent Majority Wrote:  Ffs stop hyperventilating and get a grip. It's all just game-playing at this stage, on both sides

I'm not, you need to stop hyperventalating over my posts.

(04-05-2017 14:15 )Doddle Wrote:  So you cannot know the future but you think the EU are going to punish the UK?

They've said it enough. It cannot be better for the UK to be out of the EU than in it, they may not call it punishment, but it is prety clear what they are saying.

Do you honestly think they will give the UK all it wants? I've always stated there is billions of pounds worth of trade between the UK and mainland European countries, they are not going to want to loose that. For all their gobble, the EU is actually in a tricky position.

Quote:I'd be curious which press you're reading, the Express, Mail, Sun etc are all pro-Brexit.

I don't read those, many papers do you read in a day?

(04-05-2017 18:44 )wackawoo Wrote:  Do you honestly think they will give the UK all it wants? I've always stated there is billions of pounds worth of trade between the UK and mainland European countries, they are not going to want to loose that. For all their gobble, the EU is actually in a tricky position.

Why would they give us 100%? That's not a negotiation, is it? No past PM has got 100%, it would be foolish to pretend any future one would, even if they played dirty.

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Quote:I'd be curious which press you're reading, the Express, Mail, Sun etc are all pro-Brexit.

I don't read those, many papers do you read in a day?

I don't read them either (obviously, as I'm not pro-Brexit!) but I know that that is what their stance is.

(04-05-2017 21:27 )Doddle Wrote:  Why would they give us 100%? That's not a negotiation, is it? No past PM has got 100%, it would be foolish to pretend any future one would, even if they played dirty.

That's as may be, but they are demanding what THEY want before they will even consider other negotiations, May as only asked for them to be concurrent.

Both sides will have to be flexable, but they don't seem UK divorce bill, which seems more important that EU citizens rights.

So, Wackawoo, by his own admission, has decided to join the leave camp. I'm glad we've cleared that up because I have been wondering all this time