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Was Catherine Tate not the first female Doctor in the episode when she was "Doctor Donna"?

(18-07-2017 18:27 )circles_o_o_o Wrote:  Was Catherine Tate not the first female Doctor in the episode when she was "Doctor Donna"?

No she was half human & half time lord

(18-07-2017 18:27 )circles_o_o_o Wrote:  Was Catherine Tate not the first female Doctor in the episode when she was "Doctor Donna"?

If you're going to nit-pick, then Hurt and the other Tennant regen mean Whittaker will be the 15th Doctor. Good luck telling the BBC any different

Actually the other Tennant doc that was created during Journey's End was a clone and had only half Time Lord DNA. The Tenth Doctor was able to use the regeneration energy to heal his own wounds, then diverted the remainder of it in to the severed hand on the TARDIS. Because the clone doctor was only half Time Lord and could never regenerate, he was never considered a part of the line of succession of the Doctor's incarnations. Nor so Donna who only had part Time Lord DNA diverted from the severed hand into her.

more information from Journey's End here.

John Hurt portrayed the Doctor only during the Time War. He is an incarnation of the Doctor, and should always be regarded in that line of succession. However, for that reason he is known as the War Doctor, and not the Ninth as it would have been. The Eighth Doctor was forced to regenerate into a more suitable incarnation that could fight in the war. The resulting John Hurt doctor then denounced the name "Doctor" and insisted on being known as a warrior. This allowed the numbers to continue after the war with 9.

So the full chronological line of doctors is 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, War, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13. In other words, there have been 14 doctors in the established continuity of the show, but only 13 of them have used the title 'Doctor'.

But the whole point of Matt Smith's last story was that he was the last of the 13! And Whittaker WILL be the 15th.

(19-07-2017 07:36 )Doddle Wrote:  But the whole point of Matt Smith's last story was that he was the last of the 13! And Whittaker WILL be the 15th.

Yes the doctor could only regenerate 12 times but got a new set of 12 regenerations after Clara pleaded with the timelords on gallifrey. Plus David Tennant's Doctor used regeneration energy to heal himself as has been said so that counts as a regeneration so Jodie will be 13th Doctor

I go back to the shows in the seventies when you had the serial episodes. I have to wonder if the show would be more watchable if harked back to that period and did shows where one story was spread across several episodes like that but I think many people probably want to see as many monsters as possible now.

I think if there had been a perfect moment to introduce a female doctor I wonder if worked after either the Sylvester McCoy or the Colin Baker regeneration and if they would have done it as a one - off to see if it had worked

(19-07-2017 09:15 )Rammyrascal Wrote:  

(19-07-2017 07:36 )Doddle Wrote:  But the whole point of Matt Smith's last story was that he was the last of the 13! And Whittaker WILL be the 15th.

Yes the doctor could only regenerate 12 times but got a new set of 12 regenerations after Clara pleaded with the timelords on gallifrey. Plus David Tennant's Doctor used regeneration energy to heal himself as has been said so that counts as a regeneration so Jodie will be 13th Doctor

The actual number of new regenerations given to the Eleventh Doctor at the climax of Time of the Doctor was not specified. They have to do this as if the show remains marketable they will need to keep finding new actors to do the role. They can't limit themselves to one particular number.

Yes I've already explained about the 10th doctor clone in Journey's End. It did use a regeneration, leading eventually to the new cycle being granted. But the clone was not fully Time Lord. He was exiled in the alternate world with Rose after the real tenth doctor decided he's committed genocide. That clone was never referred to as the 11th, just a copy.

It's been long established that Matt Smith's doctor was number 11 and so the others after him follow this pattern. I know what Doddle is saying about the number of actors, but this isn't the same as the number of doctors. Continuity is important in the show and I feel it's appropriate to refer to the established sequence as specified in the show.

I apologize if this seems aggressive here. I'm just trying to settle the confusion about the number of doctors, I find it frustrating when people think there were more 'doctors' than there actually were.

I just had a thought: At least Whittaker will be cheaper than Capaldi. Hopefully that's more money on other production values.

(19-07-2017 10:36 )Regenerated Wrote:  It's been long established that Matt Smith's doctor was number 11 and so the others after him follow this pattern. I know what Doddle is saying about the number of actors, but this isn't the same as the number of doctors. Continuity is important in the show and I feel it's appropriate to refer to the established sequence as specified in the show.

I apologize if this seems aggressive here. I'm just trying to settle the confusion about the number of doctors, I find it frustrating when people think there were more 'doctors' than there actually were.

It was established that he was the 11th when he started, but Hurt came along after that, and Moffat for his own reasons decided to use the other regen and claim that Matt was at the end of his cycle.

Anyway, Catherine Tate wasn't the Doctor, I think we can settle on that, so ner