Open letter to Ofcom

nah i just cant do poetry lol

(13-07-2010 07:31 )Hexit Wrote:  

(13-07-2010 01:21 )MrJack Wrote:  Probably stating the obvious here, but OFCOM can only act on what's reported to them, which begs the question, who would tune into a babe channel simply to report them? After all, it's a niche market, these are channels that you only find if you go looking for them (on my Sky card the adult section was hidden by default I had to actively enable it) and anyone who tunes in knows exactly what to expect. Traditional British squeamishness about the adult entertainment industry, maybe?

your assuming that every 1 thinks this kind of entertainment is on. certain religious nuts or moralists will deliberately sit and watch every channel night after night writing down notes on every slip they see.
then complain to ofcom because they are the moral minority who think there moral majority are morally bankrupt.
they don't give a fuck about freedom of expression or speech what they care about is that every 1 should be pigeon holed into there judgmental way of life.
they think sex is for babys not for fun. they fuck in the missionary position so the wife cant cum. you see them on sundays beating there drum. shouting god has dammed you and its the judgment for some... but on sunday night in the dark where its fun he is a rubber wearing gimp with a 12" knobbly jammed up his bum.

hypocrites m8 thats all they are on the most part.

That's a fair rant, Hexit.

I think I'm right in saying, though, that the vast majority of complaints against a broadcaster have come from a rival broadcaster.

(13-07-2010 09:30 )blackjaques Wrote:  That's a fair rant, Hexit.

I think I'm right in saying, though, that the vast majority of complaints against a broadcaster have come from a rival broadcaster.

My thoughts exactly, it's one way (and an exceptionally shady way) to eliminate the competition.

Whatever the case, it is sad that there are people in this world dedicating their time to making sure people can't have nice things...

(12-07-2010 15:12 )moron50 Wrote:  One thing that does puzzle me is; how other channels (Movies4Men, Bravo etc.) can show some full-frontal & more explicit scenes? - those being 'mainstream' broadcasters. Slipped through the net, or because they aren't live shows, I dunno?

I knew such channels could show full frontal but didn't realize they could be more explicit. I believe they also used to show (very severely) cut-down hardcore films some time ago but Ofcom effectively put an end to it.

Anybody know what this ' more explicit' has involved? What was shown and what the shows were?

(13-07-2010 12:17 )phil33 Wrote:  I knew such channels could show full frontal but didn't realize they could be more explicit. I believe they also used to show (very severely) cut-down hardcore films some time ago but Ofcom effectively put an end to it.

Anybody know what this ' more explicit' has involved? What was shown and what the shows were?

I mentioned a couple of random channels there, which could indeed have stretched to Film4 & others. I can think of various examples, where open-leg shots or between the legs (rear view) have been broadcast. A lot of it is neither here nor there, in relative terms. I just wondered why a line seems to be drawn between films / documentaries etc. & 'babe channels'.

There is a British film (for the timebeing I can't recall the title) shown on at least 2 or 3 occasions by Film4, featuring a stripper. It contains a fairly gratuitous open leg shot. I did mention it on here, just before it was last broadcast. I'll do some searching & post it, if I find it. There was a brief and visible bj too, during the orgy scene.

There was another example on the Sci-Fi channel, a couple of years ago. It was only one scene, but it was beyond what I expected to see in the '120' channels on SKY. I have it on a DVD somewhere.

I'm old enough to remember the mid-80's / 90's stuff on Ch. 4 & the adult channels from 1991 to mid-2000's, so most things shown now appear very tame & regressive in comparison. You just get the odd surprise now & again.

EDIT - Here it is:- http://www.babeshows.co.uk/showthread.ph...102&page=2 (post #15)

I haven't got the clip available to post, but if you search, it shouldn't take too long to find it.

(13-07-2010 15:38 )moron50 Wrote:  

(13-07-2010 12:17 )phil33 Wrote:  I knew such channels could show full frontal but didn't realize they could be more explicit. I believe they also used to show (very severely) cut-down hardcore films some time ago but Ofcom effectively put an end to it.

Anybody know what this ' more explicit' has involved? What was shown and what the shows were?

I mentioned a couple of random channels there, which could indeed have stretched to Film4 & others. I can think of various examples, where open-leg shots or between the legs (rear view) have been broadcast. A lot of it is neither here nor there, in relative terms. I just wondered why a line seems to be drawn between films / documentaries etc. & 'babe channels'.

There is a film (for the timebeing I can't recall the title) shown on at least 2 or 3 occasions by Film4, featuring a stripper. It contains a fairly gratuitous open leg shot. I did mention it on here, just before it was last broadcast. I'll do some searching & post it, if I find it. There was a brief, visible bj too, during the orgy scene.

There was another example on the Sci-Fi channel, a couple of years ago. It was only one scene, but it was beyond what I expected to see in the '120' channels on SKY. I have it on a DVD somewhere.

I'm old enough to remember the mid-80's / 90's stuff on Ch. 4 & the adult channels from 1991 to mid-2000's, so most things shown now appear very tame & regressive in comparison. You just get the odd surprise now & again.

I remember when Film4 was a subscription channel showing the forbidden season, my first encounter with such titles as Ai No Corrida and The Story of O... (or were they on Channel 4?)

I also remember the German satellite channels back in the late 80s to early 90s showing stronger stuff than what you see nowadays free to air. Years before I had the chance to do any German at school (and I do have a GCSE!) I was fully versed in the words ACH and JA!

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I also remember the German satellite channels back in the late 80s to early 90s showing stronger stuff than what you see nowadays free to air. Years before I had the chance to do any German at school (and I do have a GCSE!) I was fully versed in the words ACH and JA!
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SAT1 & RTL(lol) ? I moved on to HVC / The Adult Channel from there. The people with decrypters got some of the German or Swedish h/c channels too - TVE / TV5 / TV1000 (or something similar).

(13-07-2010 15:53 )moron50 Wrote:  

MrJack Wrote:I also remember the German satellite channels back in the late 80s to early 90s showing stronger stuff than what you see nowadays free to air. Years before I had the chance to do any German at school (and I do have a GCSE!) I was fully versed in the words ACH and JA!

SAT1 & RTL(lol) ? I moved on to HVC / The Adult Channel from there. The people with decrypters got some of the German or Swedish h/c channels too - TVE / TV5 / TV1000 (or something similar).

And 3sat, the German answer to BBC Four, but because it was the German answer to BBC Four, you got naked women tied to a cross, naked women on stage, naked women massaged by multiple persons...

The sort of stuff we could do with on BBC Four!

Film 4 has shown romance and ai no corrida both show hardcore sex scenes and various other films , channel 4 was set up to screen alternative tv arthouse ect, if anything tv has become much more conservative over the last 10 years on the whole it does not seem interested in anything you cant vote for by premium call lines.......i do think if somebody mounted a legal case on the grounds of exploitation it would have legs these shows manipulate your biological needs with the intention of frustrating you, so you buy the ppv, that surley is illegal nevermind they breed weird fetishes and probably could be linked with depression and suicide rates even domestic violence!

moron50, I was going to say it sounds like the film, Principles of Lust. Lara Clifton does a full strip show in a pub with a full-on, wide-legged fanny flash. Also, Sienna Guillory does some pretty hot and sweaty sex scenes in this too and, iirc, there's some brief penetration shots (between porn actor extras) in an orgy scene.

But of course all this full frontal nudity and sexually explicit activity is justified by the context that its a general entertainment film on a general entertainment film channel not, an adult sex show on an adult sex channel.

Ofcom will trust the BBFC to justify any content by context upto an 18-rating but, then their own bigotry steps-in and condemns any 'sex work' material specifically designed to titilate the viewer to be banned, mandatory PIN protected and encrypted...just in case it upsets the moral minority to think that people might be wanking off in the privacy of their own home.

Ofcom seem to believe the exploitation of human sexuality in pursuit of satiating human sexual needs is wrong. The FACT this is one of the biggest entertainment markets in the world speaks volumes. The FACT no evidence exists to show this is harmful but, indeed, plenty to show it is beneficial to society and to the safety of women and children, means that Ofcom are failling in their remit to protect truly vulnerable people, indeed, Ofcom's actions are making more people more vulnerable (and I did explain all this to them, sent them links to the work of Milton Diamond and Beryl Kutchinsky etc., in my consultation response in 2003/4 - the LSE even quoted bits of my submission in the 'R18 harm' report).

Over the years I've studied all the research from the likes of Donnerstein, Linz, Malamuth, Diamond, Kutchinsky, Cumberbatch etc. I've been through the BBFC's own 'Media Effects' paper with a fine tooth comb and raised several points with them too. The results are clear - sexual material helps those with 'behavioural problems' to control their uncontrollable desires. It doesn't turn people into sex fiends, nor can it cure the highly sexed but, it can help such people control their needs in harmless ways. For the rest of us 'norms', its just a bit of sexy fun and a great stress-reliever.

I do not want to be an uptight religious freak. I don't believe religious claptrap nor do I wish to share or suffer under distorted religious moral values.

The only 'Gods' I worship are SEX and EVOLUTION for they are what science tells us created creatures just like us. We ALL have a fundamental RIGHT to worship our chosen Gods without any interference from other fictional/supernatural God botherers.

I believe Ofcom's days of religious and sexual discrimination are now decidedly numbered.

While I'm on the subject, here's some of the Ofcom threads on Your Freedom that could do with a lot more support:
http://yourfreedom.hmg.gov.uk/repealing-...censorship
http://yourfreedom.hmg.gov.uk/restoring-...y-controls
http://yourfreedom.hmg.gov.uk/restoring-...censorship