Europe, Referendum & Brexit (formerly Europe..IN or OUT??)

(04-12-2017 20:17 )terence Wrote:  this is all fucked. everyone except the dup agree and want to move on but as long as the dup have the conservatives over a barrel they will not give an inch. they are zealots and zealots don't
do compromise.

DUP tail wagging the Tory dog.

It was always going to end in tears for Theresa and Arlene. Just taken 6 months oddly.

Is the £1 billion bung development initiative that was sent to Northern Ireland recoverable.

Something tells me we could be facing an election some time next year

(05-12-2017 09:23 )Charlemagne Wrote:  Is the £1 billion bung development initiative that was sent to Northern Ireland recoverable.

we haven't sent shit yet and i don't think we'll ever see it. the dup will end up bringing down the conservative government over the irish border question and with it any offer of money.

I dont get why they are so fucking against it would fucking bring thousands of jobs to NI especially if it was given Financial services passporting rights could take up to 40% of the trades done by london over the next few years

^ because they see it as a step towards Irish reunification which they are dead against. If their is the willingness to do so them=n a suitable form of words can be agreed - nobody wants a hard border. If they bring down May's Government over this they'll risk getting the hated Corbyn & McDonnell in power and I can't see them risking that.

(05-12-2017 14:41 )HannahsPet Wrote:  I dont get why they are so fucking against it would fucking bring thousands of jobs to NI especially if it was given Financial services passporting rights could take up to 40% of the trades done by london over the next few years

they are against it because god forbid they diverge from the uk. everything in n. ireland has to be exactly the same as the uk, except of course for abortion and gay rights, that's just ungodly. everything else though!

fuckin tuna melts the lot of em!

The last few days have been quite revealatory. Prior to this, there was always a suspicion that the big name's pronouncements on the matter were more them speaking to their own electorates than to each other. Now that we come down to the crunch we find that most redlines are in fact quite pink. The desire appears to have always been to take this to the wire, merely so that all sides could sell the outcome as some kind of victory and keep themselves in jobs.

But the Tories dirty pact from the summer has come back to bite them - with the intractable red line of religion proving more firm than that of any modern political ideology.

IMO it's hard to argue with this piece in the NewStatesman (
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/st...ay-survive ) - a clear line for the future has at last been revealed. Free from all the bluster and politicing, this is what we are now down to - compromise on the future relationship between the EU and the whole of the UK or risk the government falling apart and Brexit along with it.

the ironic thing about all this is, the uk government would give the north back to ireland in a heartbeat, if they thought they could get away with it. the only problem with that is the south don't want us.

welcome to my world. it's so fucked! lol.