DLA into PIP

(07-02-2017 18:24 )wackawoo Wrote:  

(07-02-2017 08:40 )Doddle Wrote:  The level of benefit fraud is 1-4%, but as you say, the press and telly suggest it's more like 80%. This government has been demonising the impoverished and unemployed for years, I don't know how anyone on such benefits would keep voting for them.

Becasue it's all parties that just accept it.

If DWP treated pensioners the way they treated Disabilty claiments the goverment would be out on there ears straight away

even though pensions far outways Disability in welfare costs.

(07-02-2017 21:58 )HannahsPet Wrote:  one tip wackawoo if you say you have a physical disabilty and have trouble walking and the like do not go to the assesment centre arrange for a home visit its DWP logic if you can make it to the Assesment centre then you can get a job happened to a mate several times went assesment got rejected one home visit got thru it

dont be to honest either i mean dont say i can manage sometimes always make it sound like your worst day its a case where being honest can come back to bite you in the arse im not saying lie about something you dont have just make sure you tell them what you have and how it effects you on your worse day

One of the ESA people said, 'why can't you work at home? you can copy things', 'your not helping yourself'

Funny enough, she never said it again.

That said, I'll always be honest over thigns like this, I don't have to lie, besides, at the DLA appeal thing, it was two doctors and a lawyer interviewing me; they'd see through a lie in one.

It's beyound me how anybody can get these benefits by fraud.

May be they target selected few.

I was told a story a while back about how certain people living in my city got to be put on the sick as an alcoholic so easily. The trick was to slip the local chemist a tenner, in return for a pill that you then took on top of a can of strong lager, the reaction between the two giving you all the signs of being an outright alcoholic, even if you weren't previously. back at that time I believe you got almost twice the money for being 'on the sick' in that way as to claiming normal benefits.

I don't know how true this was, but the person who told me had no reason to make it up, & has been proven reliable on previous tales.

I also recall reading a news story just after the last change in the benefits system, where a guy went in to discuss his claim, only to be told he had no obvious signs of being ill so would be signed off instead. Him taking off his right leg & slapping it down on the desk got them to re-access their original decision.....

(08-02-2017 01:53 )kelly1066 Wrote:  I was told a story a while back about how certain people living in my city got to be put on the sick as an alcoholic so easily. The trick was to slip the local chemist a tenner, in return for a pill that you then took on top of a can of strong lager, the reaction between the two giving you all the signs of being an outright alcoholic, even if you weren't previously. back at that time I believe you got almost twice the money for being 'on the sick' in that way as to claiming normal benefits.

I don't know how true this was, but the person who told me had no reason to make it up, & has been proven reliable on previous tales.

I also recall reading a news story just after the last change in the benefits system, where a guy went in to discuss his claim, only to be told he had no obvious signs of being ill so would be signed off instead. Him taking off his right leg & slapping it down on the desk got them to re-access their original decision.....

Do you know how much all this harrasment is for?

ESA being in the work group is a bout 20 quid or so more, even if you are in the support group, thats only another 21 pounds or so.

DLA has an higher and lower rate, lower rate is £21 odd, but the higher rate is 50 odd, but you pretty much got to be a wheel chair user for that.

It's not as much as poeple think and for genuinely ill poeple nothing at all,

https://www.gov.uk/pip/what-youll-get

https://www.gov.uk/employment-support-al...-youll-get


up to £102.15 a week if you’re in the work-related activity group
up to £109.30 a week if you’re in the support group

People in the support group, which means they cannot work, get a few quid more, but they probbaly will get other benefits such has dailey living allowance and enhanced mobility.

(08-02-2017 01:53 )kelly1066 Wrote:  I also recall reading a news story just after the last change in the benefits system, where a guy went in to discuss his claim, only to be told he had no obvious signs of being ill so would be signed off instead. Him taking off his right leg & slapping it down on the desk got them to re-access their original decision.....

That wouldn't count these days, they would say with his leg on he can move freely, with it off he can sit up at a desk, and yes the second part of that is a question in the assesment.

(07-02-2017 21:21 )Doddle Wrote:  It always fascinates me that when the media run their usual story about a cheat exposed in court, they've always been doing something ludicrously OTT like running a keep-fit class or sky-diving when they should be almost immobile. Presumably because the more salacious, the "better" news, but it surely skews the impression of people who not only screw the system, but feel obliged to really be blatant about it.

If they are really blatant about it it's when they screw the system and when they get paid a visit and they have the latest new gadgets in their house and their kids are given the latest I Phones (when they couldn't really afford them), that's what really gets my back up about it all when people like me work part -time and are earning and there are those who screw the system left right and centre to do that and don't care for those who pay their taxes and their taxes are being used like this do they ever strip the houses of these good just to recover something?
If anything people like that should be banned from ever making a claim for the rest of their lives and are told to report the Job Centre
every day until they got a job or get a fine every time they don't report and are limited to only applying for low paid work that will make them that they have yo budget like everyone else

(07-02-2017 11:21 )Bandwagon Wrote:  If they want to catch all the benefit cheats, all they need to do is wait for them outside 'The Benefit Cheats Meeting Club' , AKA 'The Jeremy Kyle Show'.

I bet the JK Show don't pass all this information on anyway

^ They don't need to. 99.9% of the feckless wasters who appear on that show will freely admit to being on some form of benefit. The PIP candidates will usually hobble on stage with some kind of walking aid, but as the show unfolds and they get rattled, they tend to forget about their 'disability' showing more bounce than Zebedee

(08-02-2017 08:33 )Bandwagon Wrote:  ^ They don't need to. 99.9% of the feckless wasters who appear on that show will freely admit to being on some form of benefit. The PIP candidates will usually hobble on stage with some kind of walking aid, but as the show unfolds and they get rattled, they tend to forget about their 'disability' showing more bounce than Zebedee

Must be the most watched show amongst DWP workers!! No wonder the ratings are good!!

(07-02-2017 22:04 )HannahsPet Wrote:  If DWP treated pensioners the way they treated Disabilty claiments the goverment would be out on there ears straight away

even though pensions far outways Disability in welfare costs.

Quite. Old people are OK, but sick people are somehow scum.

It's all spurious number-crunching anyway. Why ring-fence pensions and then run down the NHS?! (To push people into private health schemes.)