Scottish Independence (the sequel)

(03-12-2013 07:05 )HannahsPet Wrote:  as 11 of the lib dem seats are in scotland as well they would be decimated as well

Losing 11 seats out of 57 does not amount to being decimated.

Some well known people who want Scottish independence:
Sean Connery
Annie Lennox
The Proclaimers
Frankie Boyle
Robbie Coltrane
Alan Cumming

Some well known people who don't:
George Galloway
Alex Ferguson
Andy Murray
Sharleen Spiteri
Ewan McGregor
Billy Connolly

Interesting, but that shouldn't really have any bearing on anything tbh, their lives won't be affected if it goes wrong...certainly won't influence my No vote, the lack of real answers (still) has done that. I fear for us all if it's a yes given the current bollocks being spouted.

I just wondered whether any posters who are actually living in Scotland can give us an idea of what the feeling is amongst people there? Surveys are one thing, but word of mouth comment, the chat in the pub and on the street, would provide a useful snapshot.

If you were Pro Independence before the white paper you are probably more/same Pro Independence after, if you were Better Together before the white paper then you didn't get any answers to the big questions that would persuade you that voting for Independence is a worthy option

(03-12-2013 18:05 )Digital Dave Wrote:  I just wondered whether any posters who are actually living in Scotland can give us an idea of what the feeling is amongst people there? Surveys are one thing, but word of mouth comment, the chat in the pub and on the street, would provide a useful snapshot.

I think many Scots are just wandering around in limbo right now, because nobody seems to have a bloody clue what's happening. All we have at present is the Lib Dems, Tories and Labour saying one thing while Salmond says the exact opposite...every fecking day!

I find all of the arguing in Holyrood a bit of a national joke and I know others do too. With the major issues I listed earlier in the thread, there can only be one categorical answer to each. Salmond can't decide currency, NATO/EU membership, etc, so why are we not hearing directly from those organisations?

For those reasons, several others and just a general state of confusion, I'm hearing far more NO votes than YES right now.

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The general feeling amongst the people I speak to is "if it ain't broken, why fix it?". The few who say yes, have always said that so over a years worth of campaigning has changed nothing.

(04-12-2013 01:17 )Shady Wrote:  Salmond can't decide currency, NATO/EU membership, etc, so why are we not hearing directly from those organisations?

The reason we haven't heard anything, and won't this side of the referendum, is because they must be seen to remain neutral. The minute they give a ruling, one way or the other, it will be construed as supporting one of the sides against the other.

Personally I think we would be accepted into the EU, but it won't be the cakewalk Salmond would have us believe. There would be conditions attached and top of the list would be accepting the Euro as our currency.
Spain is already adopting the 'over my dead body' approach and is unlikely to change it's stance because it has regions of it's own campaigning for independence and any precedent set by Scotland would have an impact on it's own internal affairs.

(04-12-2013 02:41 )The Silent Majority Wrote:  The reason we haven't heard anything, and won't this side of the referendum, is because they must be seen to remain neutral. The minute they give a ruling, one way or the other, it will be construed as supporting one of the sides against the other.

Sorry, I'll clarify that a bit better. I don't mean that NATO or the EU should give any kind of endorsement of an independent Scotland, just that there must be a minimum membership requirement that we either meet or don't.

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(04-12-2013 02:41 )The Silent Majority Wrote:  The general feeling amongst the people I speak to is "if it ain't broken, why fix it?". The few who say yes, have always said that so over a years worth of campaigning has changed nothing.

(04-12-2013 01:17 )Shady Wrote:  Salmond can't decide currency, NATO/EU membership, etc, so why are we not hearing directly from those organisations?

The reason we haven't heard anything, and won't this side of the referendum, is because they must be seen to remain neutral. The minute they give a ruling, one way or the other, it will be construed as supporting one of the sides against the other.

Personally I think we would be accepted into the EU, but it won't be the cakewalk Salmond would have us believe. There would be conditions attached and top of the list would be accepting the Euro as our currency.
Spain is already adopting the 'over my dead body' approach and is unlikely to change it's stance because it has regions of it's own campaigning for independence and any precedent set by Scotland would have an impact on it's own internal affairs.

Actually i dont think joining the euro would be a condition of gaining EU membership if you were in economic union with the UK

in fact i think eu membership would be easy if you dont change all of the institutions in place already as part of the UK.

one question is what sort of credit rating would you have with standard and poor and moodys. just a guess but if you went with uk economic union then you would proberly have access to the uk aaa rating if not dont know what you would do

there are a lot of unanswered questions and most really need sorting out beforehand so all you scottish voters have the information to make the right choice

(04-12-2013 09:12 )HannahsPet Wrote:  

(04-12-2013 02:41 )The Silent Majority Wrote:  Personally I think we would be accepted into the EU, but it won't be the cakewalk Salmond would have us believe. There would be conditions attached and top of the list would be accepting the Euro as our currency.
Spain is already adopting the 'over my dead body' approach and is unlikely to change it's stance because it has regions of it's own campaigning for independence and any precedent set by Scotland would have an impact on it's own internal affairs.

Actually i dont think joining the euro would be a condition of gaining EU membership if you were in economic union with the UK

It looks like The Silent Majority is right and HannahsPet is wrong. According to the Scottish Express newspaper anyway: "Every new applicant state has to commit themselves in law to adopting the euro. There have been no opt-outs. It is a condition of membership."