Scottish Independence (the sequel)

But a scottish state might not be classed as a new applicant? its depends on how the wording of the corresponding treaties that were signed.


this is a new one for the EU because a EU member state hasnt been split in to peices before


thats it we dont know thats why you need to know before you make any decisions. dont know why they cant have one summit and sort out all of these issues in one go

(03-12-2013 07:57 )The Silent Majority Wrote:  The citizen test will be:

Eating Haggis out of a jockstrap while singing Flower of Scotland in a tank full of midges

Shit! I'd fail that test and I'm a bloody Jock!!!

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(04-12-2013 13:48 )HannahsPet Wrote:  But a scottish state might not be classed as a new applicant? its depends on how the wording of the corresponding treaties that were signed.


this is a new one for the EU because a EU member state hasnt been split in to peices before


thats it we dont know thats why you need to know before you make any decisions. dont know why they cant have one summit and sort out all of these issues in one go

Absolutely! Surely that would be the simplest way to lay all concerns to rest? That's really all that's needed. Bloody politicians!!!!!

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(04-12-2013 08:58 )Shady Wrote:  

(04-12-2013 02:41 )The Silent Majority Wrote:  The reason we haven't heard anything, and won't this side of the referendum, is because they must be seen to remain neutral. The minute they give a ruling, one way or the other, it will be construed as supporting one of the sides against the other.

Sorry, I'll clarify that a bit better. I don't mean that NATO or the EU should give any kind of endorsement of an independent Scotland, just that there must be a minimum membership requirement that we either meet or don't.

No, I didn't mean endorsement either. But it wouldn't matter what they said, one side or the other would jump on it and claim it as an endorsement of their campaign.

(04-12-2013 09:12 )HannahsPet Wrote:  Actually i dont think joining the euro would be a condition of gaining EU membership if you were in economic union with the UK

in fact i think eu membership would be easy if you dont change all of the institutions in place already as part of the UK.

Yes but economic union with the UK isn't Eck's call to make either and Cameron won't make any hypothetical agreements prior to the referendum for fear of influencing the outcome the wrong way (from his point of view).
So we still don't have any hard facts to base a decision on.

(04-12-2013 16:10 )Shady Wrote:  

(03-12-2013 07:57 )The Silent Majority Wrote:  The citizen test will be:

Eating Haggis out of a jockstrap while singing Flower of Scotland in a tank full of midges

Shit! I'd fail that test and I'm a bloody Jock!!!

Yeah, it's the midges, isn't it?

Eck's actually planning to use them as the backbone of the Scottish defence force.
Specially trained battalions of midges will be stationed along the border ready to repel the millions of English refugees who will flood across if Miliband gets into power

(04-12-2013 17:47 )The Silent Majority Wrote:  Yeah, it's the midges, isn't it?

Eck's actually planning to use them as the backbone of the Scottish defence force.

Yeah the haggis and jock strap parts are fine, but I fear those little blood sucking bastards most of all.

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(04-12-2013 02:41 )The Silent Majority Wrote:  

(04-12-2013 01:17 )Shady Wrote:  Salmond can't decide currency, NATO/EU membership, etc, so why are we not hearing directly from those organisations?

The reason we haven't heard anything, and won't this side of the referendum, is because they must be seen to remain neutral.

We have heard from NATO.

Official statement: "As a matter of law, a Scotland which has declared its independence and thereby established its separate statehood would be viewed as a new state. A new state would not be a party to the North Atlantic treaty, and thus not a member of NATO. If it were to choose to apply for NATO membership, its application would be subject to the normal procedure, as outlined in article 10 of the treaty."

From the Daily Telegraph: "Scottish civil servants travelled to Nato HQ in Brussels on July 6 to discuss options for joining the alliance if the nationalists win next year's independence referendum. It is understood their arguments that a separate Scotland should be treated as a special case were rejected, with Nato confirming it would have to apply from scratch and the process normally takes a minimum of two to three years.
It is understood a Nato assistant general secretary used the meeting to set out the hurdles applicants have to clear to satisfy Article 10 of the North Atlantic Treaty. This requires all countries to contribute to the alliance’s security, including its nuclear umbrella, which the official said also means not importing territorial or military disputes. Scotland would have to demonstrate a history of stable defence policies and structures as a minimum entry requirement. Article 10 also implies that every Nato member accepts the alliance's nuclear first-strike policy. Officials emphasised that Scotland’s entry would require unanimous agreement of all the 28 existing members."

Well I've been sort of staying quiet on this issue recently despite starting the Thread a year ago.

To reflect the sentiments of a lot of the other posters I am somewhat alarmed as to any long term policies and where a separate Scotland would lead us. Yes I want independence but I also need assurance.

Its a massive gamble if we vote yes and if it all goes horribly wrong the last thing I want is to end up living in a Country where the economy is crippled.

I have looked at what has happened to Ireland and Spain and I'll be honest with you, it causes me genuine concern. As a true Scotsman I want to say yes but I might be forced to go back on my word unless I see a definitive plan for the long term future of a successful Scotland.

On the other hand it would be great to finally see the likes of Andy Murray finally playing under the banner of Scotland

(04-12-2013 18:32 )Tutankamon Wrote:  We have heard from NATO.

Official statement: "As a matter of law, a Scotland which has declared its independence and thereby established its separate statehood would be viewed as a new state. A new state would not be a party to the North Atlantic treaty, and thus not a member of NATO. If it were to choose to apply for NATO membership, its application would be subject to the normal procedure, as outlined in article 10 of the treaty."

From the Daily Telegraph: "Scottish civil servants travelled to Nato HQ in Brussels on July 6 to discuss options for joining the alliance if the nationalists win next year's independence referendum. It is understood their arguments that a separate Scotland should be treated as a special case were rejected, with Nato confirming it would have to apply from scratch and the process normally takes a minimum of two to three years.
It is understood a Nato assistant general secretary used the meeting to set out the hurdles applicants have to clear to satisfy Article 10 of the North Atlantic Treaty. This requires all countries to contribute to the alliance’s security, including its nuclear umbrella, which the official said also means not importing territorial or military disputes. Scotland would have to demonstrate a history of stable defence policies and structures as a minimum entry requirement. Article 10 also implies that every Nato member accepts the alliance's nuclear first-strike policy. Officials emphasised that Scotland’s entry would require unanimous agreement of all the 28 existing members."

And yet as recently as November at Holyrood, Salmond said we would be welcomed as members as if Independence was just a mere formality. God almighty the man is more irritating than a spacesuit full of midges!!

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(04-12-2013 17:46 )The Silent Majority Wrote:  No, I didn't mean endorsement either. But it wouldn't matter what they said, one side or the other would jump on it and claim it as an endorsement of their campaign.

Quicker than Usain Bolt running downhill!!

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