England's Tour of Australia - Ashes, ODIs and T20s 13/14

(25-11-2013 16:31 )thescientist Wrote:  It has been stated that Jonathan Trott has a LONG TERM stressed condition.
Surely England after having similar experiences with Trescothick and Yardy, someone should have taken the decision a lot earlier to leave him at home to recover. I get the impression that they would have done if the tour was elsewhere, but because its the Ashes he was too important for the team. WRONG, WRONG, WRONG. The hierarchy and medical advisers should know better these days.
My best wishes to him for a proper recovery, in whatever time scale it takes' there is simply no need rush it.

Best post in this thread. If they knew this was a pre existing condition this should have been actioned long before coming on what will always be the toughest of tours both physically and mentally.

You can see the Aussies in the dressing room going 1 down 10 to go!! Poor decision making and employee care.

(25-11-2013 16:31 )thescientist Wrote:  It has been stated that Jonathan Trott has a LONG TERM stressed condition.
Surely England after having similar experiences with Trescothick and Yardy, someone should have taken the decision a lot earlier to leave him at home to recover. I get the impression that they would have done if the tour was elsewhere, but because its the Ashes he was too important for the team. WRONG, WRONG, WRONG.

Why was it WRONG, WRONG, WRONG? Trott apparently had the same problem last time he toured Australia, yet he averaged 89 in that series. Since the problem is long term and he's been able to manage the condition for several years, why was it WRONG, WRONG, WRONG to pick him now?

Dont know why we are surprised by the aussies and their attituded dont forget most of them are related to the 19th century versions of what appear on the jeremy kyle show nowadays

Exactly right Cosmonaut.
The fact that this has been confirmed to be a 'LONG TERM' problem is key in all of this.
He has not failed with the bat throughout the period that it is suggested he has been suffering from this stress related illness. Constant assessment of his condition by the backroom staff and responsible self management of it by Trott himself have been successful enough to allow him to maintain a very strong test batting average overall.
He was not to know when the strength of the condition would reach such a point that he felt he had to walk away for a while and nobody else was in a position to make that judgement either.
In theory as soon as Trott made the England management aware of his condition they could have turned round and said. "Well Jonathan we will have to drop you until the problems go away".
They did not do that.
And why?
Because stress related illness is not something that can just be cured. It is not a case of go away, sort yourself out and come back when the problem has gone away.
The problem never completely goes. I should know, I have been suffering with stress related illness and depression for years. The problem will always be there and I know that.
I have to control it because that is all I can reasonably do.
But I cannot just turn round and say 'I have a terminal stress related problem therefore it is best I undertake no work at all on the basis that I might crack at some point'
If I did that I would never go to work.
Same principle with Trott imo.
He has made the right decision and so have England for the right reasons at the right time.

(25-11-2013 18:35 )cosmonaut Wrote:  

(25-11-2013 16:31 )thescientist Wrote:  It has been stated that Jonathan Trott has a LONG TERM stressed condition.
Surely England after having similar experiences with Trescothick and Yardy, someone should have taken the decision a lot earlier to leave him at home to recover. I get the impression that they would have done if the tour was elsewhere, but because its the Ashes he was too important for the team. WRONG, WRONG, WRONG.

Why was it WRONG, WRONG, WRONG? Trott apparently had the same problem last time he toured Australia, yet he averaged 89 in that series. Since the problem is long term and he's been able to manage the condition for several years, why was it WRONG, WRONG, WRONG to pick him now?

Because having watched news reports on this they knew he wasn't showing any signs of improvement in the last few months and had been struggling, I thought they would have learned lessons on what had happened before. In hindsight they realise this now and obviously the professional advice given was wrong. Years ago anyone with stress was laughed at, but, thankfully is taken seriously now.

Certainly not an expert but for what I have heard especially from Marcus T who suffered similar problems to me Snokered post has nailed it. I suspect that Trotty has been suffering from this condition for a number of years and despite the tour of Aussie being probably the toughest od all no way anyone could have predicted it would have got to a stage where he was no longer able to control it. I am sure things will get better the long run for him although it will take time. MT mentioned he is still on meds and still has his bad days.

I understand all of these comments but focusing it back to the case in hand its not like the ECB have not had experience of this before they should have been closely monitoring this and made a decision that he was either on the brink or would not be able to handle the duration of the tour.

I feel for the fella cause this is serious shit but I believe he has been mishandled by the ECB this ruined Trescothick's career overnight. Here is the thing I dont think he is coming back any time soon either if at all.

all we hope and pray is that the press will now leave him alone and not make things worse for him and let him recover in peace and quiet.

This is the official advice just given to the Australian players for the second test.

(26-11-2013 04:28 )sweetsugar007 Wrote:  they should have been closely monitoring this

They obviously have been closely monitoring this. They have been closely monitoring Trott since 2009.