General Election 2024

I was going to give the debate a miss. Changed my mind and watched it, then regretted it. What a shambles and so depressing for the UK.

On one hand we had Sunak in full spoilt child rant mode, taking advantage of the hapless Julie Etchingham to constantly talk over, with now unsubstantiated 'facts' about Labour's tax figure, amongst his other lies. His aggression probably worked as designed though, to plant the seed of Labour hiding future tax rises in the minds of the viewers. And deflecting from his own highest UK tax burden since the war figures, amongst this government's numerous failures over 14 years.

On the other hand we had Starmer who looked wooden and even starstruck at times, and failing to refute Sunak's accusations and and firming what his policies are. Falling back on his 'my dad is a toolmaker' when people wanted answers, shown an inability and fear to make a stand on what he believes in, in case he treads on a butterfly.

It was so bad that both and Sunak and Starmer were upstaged with more sense last night by, yes I said it, Mick Lynch and Piers Morgan on Newsnight. Lynch, a far cannier man than what he's imaged to be, nailed it last night with what Starmer SHOULD be saying. That Britain's infrastructure, NHS, Care, etc needs rebuilding and the public knows it needs the money to do. Be bold. But Starmer is too afraid to say it and that makes him look weak.

(05-06-2024 10:44 )southsidestu Wrote:  From the BBC's Political Correspondant Henry Zeffman:

Top civil servant's letter casts doubt on Tory tax claim

The chief Treasury civil servant wrote to Labour two days ago saying that the Conservatives’ assessment of their tax plans "should not be presented as having been produced by the civil service".

The letter from James Bowler, the Treasury permanent secretary, risks undermining Rishi Sunak’s claim in last night’s debate that Labour’s plans include £38bn of uncosted spending, which he says would mean £2,000 of tax rises per working household.

In a letter to Darren Jones, the shadow chief secretary to the Treasury, Bowler writes: "As you will expect, civil servants were not involved in the production or presentation of the Conservative Party’s document 'Labour’s Tax Rises' or in the calculation of the total figure used ... the £38bn figure used in the Conservative Party’s publication includes costs beyond those provided by the Civil Service".

"I agree that any costings derived from other sources or produced by other organisations should not be presented as having been produced by the Civil Service," he adds.

I think starmer already knew the contents of said letter and the prosecuter in him gave Sunak enough rope to hang himself with

The Office of National Statistics are looking into Sunak's £2000 claim in yesterdays debate.

They basically took Labour's £38bn over the next parliament and divided it by the number of households, which completely ignores the fact that taxation is not equal across every household or that money could come from borrowing

Ok, brace yourselves

If the polls are still predicting a Labour landslide on polling day, I'm going to vote Tory

spectator did there own one on the tory plans and it cames to £3000 extra

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/on-s...household/

https://x.com/spectator/status/1798335581623091652

Christ when even the spectator goes for you the torys are fucked !!

^ I love statistics. Sky worked out that it's cost every family 13k in extra taxes since the last election. But they also used labour wished targets and that came to an eye watering sum...

So never trust a statistician. They can give you any result that you want.

more of us will be paying more tax til 2028 from the torys freezing of tax thresholds until then and the fiscal drag that creates so as more and more people get wage increases the more people will move up the tax brackets a lot more people will start paying the 40% including a lot of public sector workers

its not the fact the tories came up with there figures its the fact they said independent civil servents did them which was a bare face lie and that letter proves it and they seem to be doubling down on it

Starmer seems to have the same action plan for Rishi as he did for Boris give him enough rope to hang himself and then prove all he is saying is bull shit

New poll to include Reform UK

Reform is within 2 points of the Torys

https://x.com/YouGov/status/1798391774215352616