Europe, Referendum & Brexit (formerly Europe..IN or OUT??)

(12-08-2018 23:55 )Jack the Nipper Wrote:  I literally just read that Spurs' Argentinian manager Mauricio Pochettinho has blamed Brexit for Spurs becoming the first Premiership side in history not to sign anyone in the Summer transfer window.Nothing to do with the fact Spurs have a transfer policy or negotiators that make the Governments incompetent brexit negotiator's seem competent or Daniel Levy who implies a wage structure more suited to a Championship club & makes Newcastle's Mike Ashley look like Father Christmas.

I see Pochettinho has already excuses in places for next Summer's transfer windows fiasco where he's going to blame the Falklands.

Mind you he might have a point about Brexit affecting the transfer window when you see the eye watering sums of money that was being spent.
But I don't think Brexit was entirely responsible. He can blame what he likes next time but he should look at the cost of the new stadium first before blaming anything else in January.

YouGov was founded by Stephen Shakespear a former Conservative pollster and candidate for Colchester and Conservative MP Nadhim Zahawi. It's Chairman Roger Parry was commissioned by the Conservative Party to write a report of local media, his proposals on local tv were adopted as government policy by Jeremy Hunt when he was culture secretary.

Yes Labour & Conservatives have an equal stance when it comes to Brexit but it is looking increasingly likely that we are heading towards a Hard Brexit which is not what most Labour Brexiteers want and not what the leadership says it wants (I imagine Corbyn does want that). On top of that there are other powerful forces within the party, mainly the Trade Unions that are trying to push the leadership towards a soft Brexit. So as the Tory party moves further to the right on Brexit to accommodate Rees Mogg & The ERG and The Trade Unions push the leadership to a deal that would keep the country as close to EU membership as possible I think it only natural that Labour voters would lose there resolve on the whole project.

I think the reason the media have not debated it much is because as I said in the original post, it's not really going to change much and as I also said it is merely a sign that the countries opinion is changing not out and out conclusive proof.

If there were to be a second referendum Remain MPs would respect a leave vote because they are respecting the leave vote now. Most have said that they respect the result of the referendum, even if the do not agree, any talk of efforts to thwart Brexit is merely drum banging by the right wing media & establishment. Most of the MPs on Parliament voted to trigger Article 50, including your friend Anna Soubry. In fact the only MP in the Government that voted against it was Ken Clarke. What they have voted on and rebelled against the government on is the terms in which we leave and who has what power of what when it comes to leaving Parliament or Whitehall. Even voting against the triggering of Article 50 is not a vote against Brexit it could be a vote against the timing, after all Article 50 is a trap and was designed specifically to be a trap. You have 2 yrs to negotiate 10 yrs worth negotiations, any idiot would not trigger Article 50 straight away, they would look to secure the 2 yr transitional agreement first and wait until after the French and German general elections and definitely not hold a general elections themselves in the process.


When it comes to Remain voters, I cannot speak for all them but in regards to me you are right, I will never accept Brexit. It is in stark contrast to pretty much my entire belief system and who I am. As soon as we leave the campaign to rejoin begins. This is what makes it all pointless and unnecessary really. The majority of people under the age of 50 did not vote for Brexit and yet we will be the ones that have to live with it. One day millennials will be the largest voting block and the ones in power and I am here to tell you now we are going to take this country back into the EU and if it means using The Euro and being part of Schengen, so be it. If Brexiteers don't like that. Tough. By then that will be the will of the people

FFS https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/br...m-13075153

Complains to the holiday company that her holiday to Benidorm was spoilt because it was full of spaniards

as soon as i saw the picture i knew she would be from around where i live

spanish people in spain, the cheek. it's idiots like this are the reason we are jumping out of a fuckin plane with no fuckin parachute!

the Turks desperate to join the EU...just seen their Lira collapse, shame we aint staying in the shit EU club to help them out as well...good luck Merkall

^but the e.u won't have turkey as a member. not in any of our lifetime.

The Turks dont wanna be part of the EU its Billy Bullshitters like Boris and Farage have been saying this Erdogyan will not give up the dictatorship he has now to have free and fair elections and he has been pissing the germans off with all the politcial rallys being held in germany for him. and the germans took the hump hence the ozil situation

i can see Turkey leaving Nato and joing forces with Russia

less chance now the collapse has happened...plenty in Germany already

i expect riot police are on standby In Berlin

(13-08-2018 16:42 )babelover48 Wrote:  i expect riot police are on standby In Berlin

they used to water cannon them...now they give them free drinks and refreshments