channels 912 and 959 are gone from sky

(22-11-2010 22:57 )vila Wrote:  

(22-11-2010 21:45 )dizzy_davidh Wrote:  It doesn't matter what country you are a registered broadcaster in,if your material is to be made available in the UK you must have a licence issued by OFCOM - end of story.

Wrong. Ofcom has stated quite categorically that the BS Freeview channels (not Partyland) are licensed in the Netherlands and not by Ofcom and are not subject to regulation by Ofcom's Broadcasting Code. That's presumably how Freeview Ch 96 is able to start broadcasting at 11pm after Ofcom introduced a new rule in the Code banning adult channels from broadcasting on Freeview before midnight.

It's not quite that cut and dried. Dizzy_Davidh is wrong in what he says, but even so, if you broadcast to or from the UK you are governed by Ofcom's rules to a certain extent, particularly with regard to taste and decency.

This is why I've never understood why certain babe channels (eg those owned by Cellcast) go to the bother of getting a foreign licence because if they overstep the mark they'll still get shit from Ofcom if they transmit to the UK and have their channels listed on the Sky or Freeview epg.

If you're bored and want to dig deep into the Ofcom files you'll see the bizarre situation of channels transmitting to Sweden from the UK, with Swedish licences, transmitting a signal that is only receivable in Scandinavia, still being lambasted by Ofcom for some perceived infraction under UK law.

The whole thing's a minefield. I'm tempted to write to Ofcom to get a black and white explanation but I know I'd be wasting my time!

digital dave they will proberly send you the rule book including apendices for a fee

Wouldn't it be ironic if, to get an explanation, you had to call Oftel on a premium rate line at £1.50 a minute and press option 1....

No midnight shift change tonight, still Lilly and Dionne. Lucy Zara posted in her thread that she was on 11-5 tonight but no sign of that.

Not looking good.....

(22-11-2010 23:43 )Digital Dave Wrote:  It's not quite that cut and dried. Dizzy_Davidh is wrong in what he says, but even so, if you broadcast to or from the UK you are governed by Ofcom's rules to a certain extent, particularly with regard to taste and decency.

This is why I've never understood why certain babe channels (eg those owned by Cellcast) go to the bother of getting a foreign licence because if they overstep the mark they'll still get shit from Ofcom if they transmit to the UK and have their channels listed on the Sky or Freeview epg.

I didn't say anything was cut and dried. I'm merely pointing out that broadcasters do not have to have an Ofcom licence to Broadcast to the UK and that if they don't they're not bound by the Broadcasting Code. I have no idea what other control methods Ofcom might have - the situation has been described to me as "a bit of a grey area".

As far as Bang Media are concerned, all the Ofcom 'In Breach' verdicts have been brought under the provisions of the Code. I would suggest that by analogy with the BS situation they must therefore have Ofcom licences, not Dutch ones.

What's happened too the other 2 channels? 912 & 959? R they only having 1 channel now & webstreaming the other 2? (doesn't sound like they're working well at all mind u). If they're websteaming the other 2 channels, does it mean the girls r showing more & bein naughter llike on other internet sites?

Does anyone know if the other 2 are going to return to the box at all?

(22-11-2010 22:15 )aceman65 Wrote:  It would seem that 902 is still the only one working at present. 912 & 959 are still saying "channel unavailable".

But 912 is still available if you tune it in yourself, as previously instructed. But I dare say 90% of the viewers can't be arsed to spend the time doing that, so they switch channels instead.

They really need to make an announcement and tell us what is really going on. And not keep up this bullshit yarn that everyone can clearly see-through.

PS. For The Watcher: Stream 2 is currently on 915. Stream 3 is on 902.

It would seem I have given you your answer, before you asked the question. Quick someone call Psychic TV

To be fair I have gone to the trouble of a retune but it has not worked!so it's a case of wait and see.

(22-11-2010 22:14 )mr mystery Wrote:  

(22-11-2010 21:57 )dave34 Wrote:  they must have a ofcom licence or why would they keep geting finded by ofcom

They have allegedly now acquired in the last couple of weeks a Dutch licence , so the fines were for when they were using the UK licence i think , it's all bloody confusing me .

Which regulator governs a broadcaster depends where it is uplinked from. Some Swedish channels are uplinked from the UK so they are governed by UK rules. Ofcom exercises a degree of leniency but felt it had to intervene when an interview with a sex shop worker was shown, standing in front of racks of dildos, at kids viewing time.

Under European free trade rules a channel can quite happily broadcast from one country, say France, to another, say the UK, and the recieving country has very little say in the matter.

EU rules are supposed to mean that the rules are broadly similar across all countries, so there is little for regulators to argue about. Advertising quotas are pretty much the same everywhere.

But the regulator in the receiving country can complain to the country it came from. The country it came from does not have to comply. Suppose the Irish Government complained about being able to receive expisodes of Father Ted broadcast by Channel 4. Ofcom and C4 could tell them its just because signals dont stop at the border, is unintentional and not deliberately aimed at the Irish, so get lost.

But suppose someone deliberately set up a channel aimed at Ireland that had very few UK viewers - thats different.

Another example would be the hardcore sex channels broadcast from Europe but aimed at the UK (not available with a Sky dish). Ofcom could ask the French, Germans, Dutch, to shut them down or aim the dish more accurately at their home market.

Now suppose the two regulators - uplinker and reciever - cannot agree. Then it can go to the European Commission, and 5 years later some compromise will be hammered out.

(22-11-2010 23:43 )Digital Dave Wrote:  

(22-11-2010 22:57 )vila Wrote:  

(22-11-2010 21:45 )dizzy_davidh Wrote:  It doesn't matter what country you are a registered broadcaster in,if your material is to be made available in the UK you must have a licence issued by OFCOM - end of story.

Wrong. Ofcom has stated quite categorically that the BS Freeview channels (not Partyland) are licensed in the Netherlands and not by Ofcom and are not subject to regulation by Ofcom's Broadcasting Code. That's presumably how Freeview Ch 96 is able to start broadcasting at 11pm after Ofcom introduced a new rule in the Code banning adult channels from broadcasting on Freeview before midnight.

It's not quite that cut and dried. Dizzy_Davidh is wrong in what he says, but even so, if you broadcast to or from the UK you are governed by Ofcom's rules to a certain extent, particularly with regard to taste and decency.

This is why I've never understood why certain babe channels (eg those owned by Cellcast) go to the bother of getting a foreign licence because if they overstep the mark they'll still get shit from Ofcom if they transmit to the UK and have their channels listed on the Sky or Freeview epg.

If you're bored and want to dig deep into the Ofcom files you'll see the bizarre situation of channels transmitting to Sweden from the UK, with Swedish licences, transmitting a signal that is only receivable in Scandinavia, still being lambasted by Ofcom for some perceived infraction under UK law.

The whole thing's a minefield. I'm tempted to write to Ofcom to get a black and white explanation but I know I'd be wasting my time!

Quotations are getting a bit OTT here but let me go so far as to clarify my point;

When I say 'if your material is to be made available in the UK' I mean with the intention of providing it via a UK provider such as Sky. Sure you can have a licence from another country and be receivable with a Sky\other dish but you won't be granted a place on Sky's EPG, fair-trade open platform or otherwise, unless you agree to the 'Sky Electronic Programme Guide Agreement' which in itself has links to OFCOM rules and regulations concerning content, standards of practice and codes of conduct.

My only concern is if 912 & 959 are not viewing anymore then it means less time for the majority of the girls working for Bang Babes to be on the one Bang Babe channel that is viewing to perform which could mean moving to another station. If thats the case i would rather see a Tommie jo, lucy or zara perform then lilly or dionne

(23-11-2010 05:35 )mrichie10 Wrote:  My only concern is if 912 & 959 are not viewing anymore then it means less time for the majority of the girls working for Bang Babes to be on the one Bang Babe channel that is viewing to perform which could mean moving to another station. If thats the case i would rather see a Tommie jo, lucy or zara perform then lilly or dionne

Do you think it's possible for BB's to show a decent profit with only 1 channel?

I'm no expert, but it seems most of the successful "providers" run at least 2 channels.