Caroline Flack

(19-02-2020 15:17 )kelly1066 Wrote:  

(19-02-2020 11:36 )Rammyrascal Wrote:  Having read this unreleased statement from Caroline it’s so sad to read she’s been battling mental health issues for many years. Can see why she was advised not to post it as Caroline does admit to hitting her partner & accepts responsibility for the incident

she also says it was an accident, and that the blood was hers.... reading a statement in full makes such a difference.

I don't think she meant blood in the literal sense.

well if it was her literal blood then the forensics would have cleared her surely ?

the there was an accident but im not a domestic abuser is really a line that im sure most convicted abusers have used at some time

sorry if i sound heartless but thats prob because i know people who have been on the receiving end of it and how it changes them

(20-02-2020 09:18 )HannahsPet Wrote:  well if it was her literal blood then the forensics would have cleared her surely ?

the there was an accident but im not a domestic abuser is really a line that im sure most convicted abusers have used at some time

sorry if i sound heartless but thats prob because i know people who have been on the receiving end of it and how it changes them

Yeah that bit of the statement where Caroline basically says it was an accident yet takes full responsibility for what happened was very contradictory. you wouldn’t take responsibility for anything if it was an accident, you’d just say it was an accident. As I’ve said for me Caroline does admit she did commit an act of domestic abuse on her partner. You’re not being heartless HannahsPet.

I also think you could say Caroline’s family are hypocrites with releasing this instagram post. When Caroline sadly took her own life, they released a statement asking for privacy & for the press not to contact them. Yet here they are going public & contacting the press

(20-02-2020 09:18 )HannahsPet Wrote:  well if it was her literal blood then the forensics would have cleared her surely ?

I read it as her saying whoever sold the story was paid in blood money.

(20-02-2020 10:35 )Rammyrascal Wrote:  Yeah that bit of the statement where Caroline basically says it was an accident yet takes full responsibility for what happened was very contradictory. you wouldn’t take responsibility for anything if it was an accident, you’d just say it was an accident.

No Rammy. You can cause an accident and still accept responsibility, or be held responsible for it. As any car insurance company will tell you.

The Metropolitan Police has referred itself to the police watchdog over its contact with Caroline Flack before her death. I'm wondering if those photos from the 'crime scene' that wee released by the press, came from a source within the Met that had no authority to release them.

(20-02-2020 12:52 )The Silent Majority Wrote:  

(20-02-2020 09:18 )HannahsPet Wrote:  well if it was her literal blood then the forensics would have cleared her surely ?

I read it as her saying whoever sold the story was paid in blood money.

A trusted friend of the couple that both of them confided in perhaps?

To me her statement read as a case of an abuser making themselves the victim, it is very common in these types of scenarios. Again I want to reiterate that I am not turning a deaf ear to her expression of mental health problems, nor am I saying she deserved what she got but I feel I must ask the question, how does one accidently hit someone over the head with a lamp? To see a lamp to pick it up & then bring it down or across somebody's head is a decision that you take. It might be made in the heat of the moment, it might not truly reflect your character but it is still a decision to make.

I think what would be a more accurate description is that it was a mistake, a terrible mistake made in difficult circumstances but mistakes and accidents are not the same thing.

She might not be "an abuser" but she did (allegedly) commit abuse the end result remains the same. Yes it may have not been the full bhuna for lack of a better phrase the incident was nuanced but we have a criminal justice system that factors that in: Murder/manslaughter, affray/battery/gbh/common assault, possession/possession with intent etc and a system that recognises mental health even if it may need improving.

I think a problem, with this conversation, is that we tend do view things in our society so binarily that we create a massive blind spot towards nuance. This goes beyond just this issue, the idea for example towards the debate around innocent black men being killed by police shootings in The US, a lot of the debate seems to operate on an idea of you are either pro black & anti police or pro police & anti black. I have watched many debates were someone might advocate a programme or policy that the government may enact and the other person says what are you going to cut in order to pay for it? If you give to column a you have to take from column b. Or if you look at the case of antisemitism that surrounds Jeremy Corbyn, because he advocated what many saw as good he could not possibly be capable of bad. He can't be anti-Semitic he marched against apartheid in South Africa. People and issues are nuanced


So I am sorry for Caroline Flack that she took her own life, it is horrifically tragic. I am sorry for her family and what they are going through is the worst of the worst but she did bad. You can be a good person and still do bad things and it is right that you be held accountable for those actions. On top of that she was suffering from "bad" and she deserved help with that "bad"

possibly the most reasoned, of sound mind, comment made in this tread to date? what you been eating stu?

I think once the inquest gets into the meat and bones of this tragedy and the inquest verdict is announced further down the line in thr coming weeks and months, I would think many of us will more than likely take a different view of things.

(22-02-2020 09:08 )babelover48 Wrote:  I think once the inquest gets into the meat and bones of this tragedy and the inquest verdict is announced further down the line in thr coming weeks and months, I would think many of us will more than likely take a different view of things.

The full inquest is on August 5.

I also fully agree with southsidestu. What’s happened with Caroline Flack is horrifically tragic but she has to be held accountable for her actions even though she was dealing with mental health issues which she clearly didn’t get the help & support needed