Football Banter

(28-02-2011 15:31 )bigguy01 Wrote:  just want fairness in sport.

chelsea v man utd tomorrow bore draw.

What! You've already seen it??? Blimey, I didn't know it was on until tomorrow night!

Fairness in sport is one thing that is just never going to happen, no matter how much anyone bleats on about it. And think about it, wouldn't sport be so much more boring than it is if human error on the part of the referees, administrators etc either never occurred or was eradicated in some robotic manner.

It would be boring and would put pay to thousands upon thousands of arguments in pubs and houses up and down the land every single weekend; did it cross the line, was he on-side, did he dive, was it hand-ball, etc, etc, etc.

It's these issues and controversies that make football the talked-about game it is and thus the success it is. They help sell newspapers, fill column inches, get people talking, and the game gets publicity as a result of all this - and as the saying goes, there's no such thing as bad publicity!

When are people going to finally grasp this concept and stop their whingeing? Yes, Rooney is a total prick and should have been sent-off! I say that as a United fan, for fuck's sake! And don't forget that a well off-side Drogba goal at Old Trafford last April ultimately cost United the Premiership title, but I didn't fucking whinge like a big girl; I just got on with it because I don't view the world through red-tinted glasses, but accept that some decisions will go your way and some won't!

It's called LIFE! Either learn to accept this rule or make yourself very, very unhappy!

I go get plastered for a couple of days and when i come back everyone is bitching like girls

It's 6 of one and a half dozen of the other for me.Rooney will pick up yellow cards in the next few games for the daftest little challenges to make up for him not being sent off in Wigan.Guaranteed.The referees will clamp down on the him and make it hard for him to even it up.

That's how they go about making up for their mistakes.

media and managers have one thing in common the bullshit they produce. i accept human error but not when the rules are applied inconsistantly or when one nation has a different set of rules for drug cheats (boc, uk athletics - life time ban to olympics and other major competitions, usa and others no such ban).

my point was that if mccarthy elbowed rooney it would have resulted in a red card, 3match ban and fine. gerarrd got away with on michael brown a few year ago.

24hrs+ for the ref to speak to the fa about it, i bet fergie "spoke" to clattenberg, isnt clattenberg a man utd fan?

(28-02-2011 16:53 )groundnpound Wrote:  It's 6 of one and a half dozen of the other for me.Rooney will pick up yellow cards in the next few games for the daftest little challenges to make up for him not being sent off in Wigan.Guaranteed.The referees will clamp down on the him and make it hard for him to even it up.

That's how they go about making up for their mistakes.

That's absolutely right Groundnpound! As a United fan I now expect, and fear, that the next referee - be it at Stamford Bridge tomorrow night or at Anfield on Sunday, might over-react to some incident or other and book Rooney for what he might've otherwise have got away with if it wasn't for Saturday's stupidity.

Football is all about six of one's; the fans of smaller clubs always tend to whinge and whine about the big decisions going the way of the bigger clubs; it's their antidote to being smaller clubs and they use it as a defence mechanism by playing the poor me card.

But bad decisions always go on in probably every single match of a weekend; you never seem to hear of the perceived bias when there's a piss-poor decision in a relegation six-pointer between two so-called smaller clubs - where's the bias there, unless they want to start saying that the refeee's a homer. Same as when the ref gets one very wrong in a match between two big clubs; there's no hiding behind the bias bullshit then as both are supposedly big clubs.

And if the referees do favour the bigger clubs then they really shouldn't be refereeing as they are weak individuals prone to being scared of large crowds and/or big reputations of star players.

He won't get a kick on Sunday lindor.

So a combo of that and being a few goals down near the end might frustrate him into a late two footed tackle or somethin

(28-02-2011 16:58 )bigguy01 Wrote:  my point was that if mccarthy elbowed rooney it would have resulted in a red card, 3match ban and fine. gerarrd got away with on michael brown a few year ago.

24hrs+ for the ref to speak to the fa about it, i bet fergie "spoke" to clattenberg, isnt clattenberg a man utd fan?

I shouldn't have thought that Mark Clattenburg is outed as a United fan as if he was then he would certainly not be allowed to referee United matches. He might be privately, but I doubt such knowledge would come out into the public domain as it would seriously compromise his professional integrity.

I'm inclined to agree that perhaps McCarthy may well have seen red if the roles had been reversed; that would actually reflect very poorly on Clattenburg as a man as well as a referee if that were the case. If I'd seen the incident as a neutral then I would have been screaming for Rooney to be sent off. As a United fan I watched it on Match Of The Day and immediately said aloud: "Oh you fucking idiot!" so I wouldn't even begin to defend him on that incident.

The problem here is the lack of clarity regards the rules, which as Master Yoda commented earlier, refer an incident to the panel if the referee deems not to have seen it and dealt with it in the manner that he deemed appropriate at the time.

Perhaps the rules need addressing, but like I say, it's the imperfections in the rules and in their administering that make football the much talked-about game that it is, and I very much doubt that Sky, the media at large (much as they would publicly beg to differ), and most other people associated with the game would wish to sanitise it for fear of robotising it and losing the art of arguments and discussions such as this very one we're having now.

But to say that McCarthy would certainly have been sent-off is pure speculation, although it is of course an opinion that yourself, or anyone else is entitled to.

It seems reading all the crap posted on this today that people are only bothered because it's Rooney getting away with, this kind of stuff goes on all time unpunished but none of you care about that. So what's the point is caring about it this time??

(28-02-2011 16:33 )lindor Wrote:  Fairness in sport is one thing that is just never going to happen, no matter how much anyone bleats on about it. And think about it, wouldn't sport be so much more boring than it is if human error on the part of the referees, administrators etc either never occurred or was eradicated in some robotic manner.

It would be boring and would put pay to thousands upon thousands of arguments in pubs and houses up and down the land every single weekend; did it cross the line, was he on-side, did he dive, was it hand-ball, etc, etc, etc.

It's these issues and controversies that make football the talked-about game it is and thus the success it is. They help sell newspapers, fill column inches, get people talking, and the game gets publicity as a result of all this - and as the saying goes, there's no such thing as bad publicity!

Exactly, (straying off topic a tad here but) people moan about FIFA not introducing video replays etc. when it provides endless debate, which sets footie apart from most other sports. The only thing I would like to see introduced is goal-line technology. I still get angry when I see this:


And especially this:


That said though they have brought in the new officials (I seem to be one of the few people who don't mind this concept) to help with the accuracy of these decisions

(28-02-2011 16:33 )lindor Wrote:  When are people going to finally grasp this concept and stop their whingeing? Yes, Rooney is a total prick and should have been sent-off! I say that as a United fan, for fuck's sake! And don't forget that a well off-side Drogba goal at Old Trafford last April ultimately cost United the Premiership title, but I didn't fucking whinge like a big girl; I just got on with it because I don't view the world through red-tinted glasses, but accept that some decisions will go your way and some won't!

Don't even get me started on that

(28-02-2011 17:19 )groundnpound Wrote:  He won't get a kick on Sunday lindor.

So a combo of that and being a few goals down near the end might frustrate him into a late two footed tackle or somethin

Regret to say I'm entitled to agree with you on that one

Rooney's still playing shit, and that goal against Manchester City the other week was merely a papering over the cracks, I'm afraid.

He certainly looks vulnerable both tomorrow night and at Anfield on Sunday - perhaps he should have been banned - only time will tell, but football has a funny way of biting transgressors on the arse, doesn't it?

Witness after the World Cup Final when Pepe Reina put a Barcelona shirt on Cesc Fabregas; now admit it you Scousers, if that'd been someone putting a Barcelona shirt onto a top Liverpool player in an attempt to get that player to weaken Liverpool for the next season you'd have rightly been very pissed-off!

But come the first match of the season Reina, despite making two brilliant saves just beforehand, got his comeuppance when he scored that comedy own-goal in the last minute. Revenge for the Arsenal fans!

Then last week, mouthy Arsenal goalkeeper Wojciech Szczesny tw@ted on Tw@ter shortly after Everton beat Chelsea "is it a bird, is it a plane, no it's Ashley Cole's penalty sailing over the bar."

Just eight days later and the mouthy c**t wasn't so mouthy as he and Laurent Koscielny fucked-up in the last minute, was he?

On that basis, I think I'd prefer Javier Hernandez to play in the above games this week than the hot-headed prick that Rooney undoubtedly is. Fate, coupled with Liverpool undoubtedly putting in a month's worth of effort, may, I'm afraid see Groundnpound saying 'I told you so' come Sunday night!

Fucking Mark Clattenburg!