Football Banter

did i read that right on sky sports news? celtic have loaned a player out and he played against them in a champs league qualifier the other night! i always thought when players get loaned out they never play against the clubs where they are loaned from cos i thought they still payed their wages!

Happens all the time, Courtois played against chelsea in super cup final last season

(01-08-2013 10:26 )malicious fan Wrote:  i always thought when players get loaned out they never play against the clubs where they are loaned from cos i thought they still payed their wages!

The whole point of some loans is to get players OFF the wagebill, not to keep on paying their wages!

(01-08-2013 11:20 )William H Bonney Wrote:  

(01-08-2013 10:26 )malicious fan Wrote:  i always thought when players get loaned out they never play against the clubs where they are loaned from cos i thought they still payed their wages!

The whole point of some loans is to get players OFF the wagebill, not to keep on paying their wages!

really! i thought alot of clubs and managers like fergie and wenger loaned players out especially youngsters to give them experience! i didnt realise the club they go to then have to pay their wages!

(01-08-2013 13:31 )malicious fan Wrote:  really! i thought alot of clubs and managers like fergie and wenger loaned players out especially youngsters to give them experience! i didnt realise the club they go to then have to pay their wages!

If it's a young player being loaned out to a lower division club it's unlikely that the lower division club would be paying the player's full wage. They would probably be paying something with the parent club paying the rest.

(01-08-2013 10:26 )malicious fan Wrote:  ...
i always thought when players get loaned out they never play against the clubs where they are loaned from
...

Depends entirely on the terms of the loan contract. Some clubs put that clause in, some don't.
I seem to recall Wenger voiced his disapproval of it a few years ago, on the basis that one reason to loan a player out, particularly a younger player, is so they can play and get match time and experience.

Arsene Wenger on Madrid's 100m Euro's bid for Bale and the current market:

"It makes a joke of the financial fair play regulations," Wenger said of the offer for Bale. "I find it amazing that in the year the regulations come in, world football has gone completely crazy. You wonder what kind of impact and effect financial fair play has on the football world. It looks like it has made everybody worse than before."

FFP came in this year???? Who knew? Lol.

On the issue of loans, I just read that apparently it is a Premiership rule that loaned players cannot play against their parent club! It's OK in the cup competitions but not in the premiership (don't know about the lower leagues).

Seems odd to me, the only real reason I can see for that is the potential for foul play, a player choosing to, or being pressured to, 'under-perform' against his parent club so they get an advantage.

The rule in question is section 7.2 of rule M.6
Found this on another forum, it's from 2010, so may have changed slightly since then :

Quote:Temporary Transfers
5. A “Temporary Transfer” shall mean the transfer of a contract registration effected in
accordance with Rules M.6 to M.10.
6. Subject to the conditions set out below, a Temporary Transfer shall be permitted:
6.1 between Clubs; and
6.2 between a Club and a club in membership of the Football League, the Football
Conference, the Northern Premier League, the Isthmian League and the Southern
League.
7. The conditions referred to in Rule M.6 are:
7.1 a Temporary Transfer to a Club may not take place in the Transfer Window in which the Transferor Club acquired the Player’s registration;
7.2 during the period of the Temporary Transfer of his contract registration a Player shall not play against the Transferor Club;
7.3 if during the period of a Temporary Transfer the Player’s registration is transferred permanently from the Transferor Club to the Transferee Club, the two Clubs may agree in writing (to be copied to the League) that the Player shall not play against the Transferor Club for the remainder of the Season;
7.4 subject to any conditions imposed by the Board in the exercise of its discretion under
Rule M.4.2, the minimum period of a Temporary Transfer shall be the period between 2
consecutive Transfer Windows and the period of a Temporary Transfer shall not extend
beyond 30th June next after it was entered into;
7.5 the maximum number of Temporary Transfers to any one Club registrable in the same
Season shall be 4 and in no circumstances shall more than 1 be from the same Transferor
Club save there shall be excluded from these numbers any Temporary Transfer of the
kind described in Rule M.7.6.1 or M.7.6.2;
7.6 not more than 2 Temporary Transfers shall be registered by a Club at the same time
except that there shall be excluded from that number:
7.6.1 any Temporary Transfer which become permanent; and
7.6.2 the Temporary Transfer of a goalkeeper which in its absolute discretion the Board
may allow in circumstances it considers to be exceptional;
7.7 a Club may transfer the registration of no more than one of its goalkeepers by way of
temporary Transfer to another Club each Season, subject to any further Temporary
Transfer of one of its goalkeepers pursuant to Rule M.7.6.2;
7.8 any other conditions agreed between the Transferor Club and the Transferee Club or, in the exercise of its discretion, imposed by the Board.

(02-08-2013 18:01 )Crayzion Wrote:  Arsene Wenger on Madrid's 100m Euro's bid for Bale and the current market:

"It makes a joke of the financial fair play regulations," Wenger said of the offer for Bale. "I find it amazing that in the year the regulations come in, world football has gone completely crazy. You wonder what kind of impact and effect financial fair play has on the football world. It looks like it has made everybody worse than before."

FFP came in this year???? Who knew? Lol.

He say this after the 1 time he makes a record club bid for Suarez?.... he is just pissed off it was rejected.

(02-08-2013 18:40 )munch1917 Wrote:  On the issue of loans, I just read that apparently it is a Premiership rule that loaned players cannot play against their parent club! It's OK in the cup competitions but not in the premiership (don't know about the lower leagues).

Seems odd to me, the only real reason I can see for that is the potential for foul play, a player choosing to, or being pressured to, 'under-perform' against his parent club so they get an advantage.

From what I remember, the Premier League said the rule was to protect the integrity of the competition.