Europe, Referendum & Brexit (formerly Europe..IN or OUT??)

Damm it Rio just come out for remain i might have to seriously consider Leaving now !!

They may be famous but they all just have one vote like the rest of the us.

you wouldnt be saying that if there were leavers would you Like i said before both Rio and Beckham are british tax payers and i bet the amount of tax they pay would make your eyes water just think how many hospitals and nurses they have paid for in there over 15-20 year careers.

was joking when i said it was all over FFS leavers have no sense of humour

It was actually you that helped me decide to leave.
Good grief

I was just giving a balanced view on the subject.

After the Scottish referendum, we all knew that both sides were going to feed us a load of mis-information, one sided rhetoric and total irrelevant news.
But they've outdone themselves this time. They've even brought in very rich retired footballers and dodgy politicans.

And if I see one more person on the TV saying that they need imformation on how to vote, I will scream. We've had 6 weeks of 24/7 coverage. If you don't know now, you never will.

(21-06-2016 13:34 )Charlemagne Wrote:  And if I see one more person on the TV saying that they need imformation on how to vote, I will scream. We've had 6 weeks of 24/7 coverage. If you don't know now, you never will.

But that's the thing, we haven't had the RIGHT information. I'll give an example.

The only thing that stops me from voting in thus far is the economy, even though the UK gives way more than it receives to the EU; if you think about it, what income coming from tax coming from jobs being created by being in the EU , is irradicated by the money going out of the UK to the EU; I digress.

Some one brought up tarrifs and plucked random percentages out of the air, the point being, if that were the case (with nothing to back this up) then UK business will make no money and the EU would be lost as a market; apparently there would be no negotiations and these tarrifs.

So here is my example; bare with me, I'm goign to borrow a technique we had to do at UNI, it was called a thought experiment (thought better here described as a case example)

New Zealand sells lamb to the EU, I know they do, I've seen it in sainsburys; presumably they have access to the EU market, presumably they must have a tarriffs on their produce with being out side of the EU, presumably it must be profitable enough for them to sell to the UK; especially considering all the quality live stock in Europe.

I assume also, the UK will export it's live stock to the EU, including lamb. So what is it? Does being in the EU mean the UK has less tariffs or no tarriffs at all on their Lambs? Wouldn't this make the UK and all EU member countries lamb a lot cheaper than New Zealand Lamb? no or less tarriffs and much cheaper transport costs?

Yet when I go to the shops, the cheapest most competative lamb (and always the one on sale at Easter) is New Zealand. Yet it's the BRITISH Lamb that you have to pay a premium for (what's with this, are we subsidising NZ?), incidentally, as it is with all UK produce sold at sainsburys; so where is the affects of tarrifs here?

Would then, if the UK voted out, UK suddenly find themselves with tarriffs on their lamb? to the point it would no longer be finantially profitable to sell the EU countries? - this being the case, how is New Zealnd able to sell to the EU but tarriffs would be so damaging to the UK?

And of course this can be exterpolated to include all products sold to the EU from none EU members.

These types of questions and answers are simpley not forth coming, all we get is oooooooo if we left the EU it would be impossible for the UK to trade with the EU has an independant sovereign state - even thought other non EU memebers seem to manage just fine.

Clearly all the bright sparks on this forum have all the answers to this already, for the rest of us mere mortals, it's not overly obvious.

wackawoo

http://beefandlambmatters.blogspot.co.uk...aland.html

anyone who's undecided, watch this video the silent majority posted. it explains everything in a factual, scientific way.

http://www.babeshows.co.uk/showthread.ph...pid1900140

this should really make up you're mind.

^ It's a very good explanation delivered in a reasoned way by someone who clearly knows what he's talking about. It's a pity such things have not been on the TV channels.

This afternoon on LBC, Lord Heseltine confused the EMF with the IMF.