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Wins keep coming!!!!!!, just gotta do the same to the big teams now. Deserve huge credit with the injuries we have

I don't think anyone foresaw United getting beaten by WBA (A certain Mr Chiles will be pleased no doubt!). How has Moyes got it so wrong lately?
I'm not a Man U fan but I'm beginning to wonder if he really is the man United needed after Sir Alex. If this carries on, I can't see him lasting until Christmas or until the New Year IMO. To me he needs to start picking players in and settling the side. A lot of fans on 606 last night and Savage felt Fellaiini isn't a United player. But why start with Van Persie on the bench? If Moyes does end up getting fired then maybe Guardiaola will become an interim manager in his place as I feel Guardiola was probably a prime target for United all along.

(29-09-2013 05:46 )babelover48 Wrote:  I don't think anyone foresaw United getting beaten by WBA (A certain Mr Chiles will be pleased no doubt!). How has Moyes got it so wrong lately?
I'm not a Man U fan but I'm beginning to wonder if he really is the man United needed after Sir Alex. If this carries on, I can't see him lasting until Christmas or until the New Year IMO. To me he needs to start picking players in and settling the side. A lot of fans on 606 last night and Savage felt Fellaiini isn't a United player. But why start with Van Persie on the bench? If Moyes does end up getting fired then maybe Guardiaola will become an interim manager in his place as I feel Guardiola was probably a prime target for United all along.

I think its a bit early to panic at this point. It was always going to be difficult to manage after Fergie. It is after all a regime change. More than a generation of people won't have known a Man United without Fergie so there is a big void to fill.
To be honest the cracks have been appearing for the last couple of years with the need to reinvest in a couple of quality midfielders and defenders. United won the Premiership last season, not because they were outstanding but more that the other teams were even worse over the season. I will say some of Moyes' selections are strange. He seems to have a thing for Ashley Young, who likes nothing more than to give the ball away as soon as possible and Anderson who runs around a lot but achieves very little.
Another concern is that he got rid of the majority of the back room staff in one swoop, people who have great experience, replacing them with his own team who simply have not got the experience at this level. Getting rid of Rene Muelenstein was a big mistake in my opinion.
David Gill being replaced as Chief Exec is a big change too and I fear that Woodward, his notoriously spendthrift replacement is the reason we did so appallingly in the transfer market. I do think that lessons are being learned and United will overcome the poor start but I doubt that this year will be one in which we challenge.

(29-09-2013 08:02 )bytor Wrote:  

(29-09-2013 05:46 )babelover48 Wrote:  I don't think anyone foresaw United getting beaten by WBA (A certain Mr Chiles will be pleased no doubt!). How has Moyes got it so wrong lately?
I'm not a Man U fan but I'm beginning to wonder if he really is the man United needed after Sir Alex. If this carries on, I can't see him lasting until Christmas or until the New Year IMO. To me he needs to start picking players in and settling the side. A lot of fans on 606 last night and Savage felt Fellaiini isn't a United player. But why start with Van Persie on the bench? If Moyes does end up getting fired then maybe Guardiaola will become an interim manager in his place as I feel Guardiola was probably a prime target for United all along.

I think its a bit early to panic at this point. It was always going to be difficult to manage after Fergie. It is after all a regime change. More than a generation of people won't have known a Man United without Fergie so there is a big void to fill.
To be honest the cracks have been appearing for the last couple of years with the need to reinvest in a couple of quality midfielders and defenders. United won the Premiership last season, not because they were outstanding but more that the other teams were even worse over the season. I will say some of Moyes' selections are strange. He seems to have a thing for Ashley Young, who likes nothing more than to give the ball away as soon as possible and Anderson who runs around a lot but achieves very little.
Another concern is that he got rid of the majority of the back room staff in one swoop, people who have great experience, replacing them with his own team who simply have not got the experience at this level. Getting rid of Rene Muelenstein was a big mistake in my opinion.
David Gill being replaced as Chief Exec is a big change too and I fear that Woodward, his notoriously spendthrift replacement is the reason we did so appallingly in the transfer market. I do think that lessons are being learned and United will overcome the poor start but I doubt that this year will be one in which we challenge.

I agree it is hard to follow an act like Ferguson but how much longer man u fans will put up with Moyes remains to be seen.

(29-09-2013 05:46 )babelover48 Wrote:  ...
If Moyes does end up getting fired then maybe Guardiaola will become an interim manager in his place as I feel Guardiola was probably a prime target for United all along.

EH?
Why would Guardiola leave Bayern where he has had a great start and is beginning to mould the team into his own, and come to United to take over a struggling and potentially demoralised squad, that clearly needs investment and rebuilding?
And why would he come as 'interim' manager? You don't get someone of the stature of Guardiola as an 'interim', you get them for the long haul.
Also, Guardiola could have walked into any of the top jobs this year, such was his status. He chose Bayern over them all, why would he now change his mind and come to Utd's rescue? He could have gone to City, a much more likely prospect with a back room staff he is familiar with, and a bottomless pit of money to build his squad, but he still chose Bayern, I don't see any logical reason why he would come to Utd now or any time in the near future.

(29-09-2013 05:46 )babelover48 Wrote:  I don't think anyone foresaw United getting beaten by WBA

Ahem....... well I did, see my Man Utd 1-2 West Brom prediction in the Premier League prediction thread.
Shameless gloating .

No but seriously any idea of sacking Moyes is ridiculous especially when you bear in mind the time his predecessor was given to get things right after an inauspicious start.
To follow such a manager with such a long list of achievements was never going to be easy particularly short term.
It is a learning curve for Moyes but once he gets to know his players really well things will settle down. He does not become a poor manager overnight.

Remember that it took Sir Alex Ferguson a long while to settle in when he first started at United. He was on the verge of the sack a few seasons in wasn't he? And look at what he ended up achieving. It's no good them putting their faith in Moyes - then pulling the trigger after just a few games. I really doubt that's even in their thinking. The majority of their fans know it will take time to settle down.

Moyes was chosen on a long term basis, and must be given time to settle in and do the job he was chosen for. Did anyone really expect that the Man Utd machine wouldn't need a service and some new parts fitted? Just need some time for fine tuning now, I hope

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All I can say is this United supporter is aware it will take time for Moyes and his squad to gel. It took Fergie 5 years to get going. I still think Moyes will prove to be the right man for the job.
Sadly like all teams there are some United fans who understand little and expect instant success. Long term vision is the key for any team. Not my favourite thing to admit but you only have to look at Liverpool under Brendan Rodgers to see the good work he is doing.