Europe, Referendum & Brexit (formerly Europe..IN or OUT??)

I do think the talk of WW3 is a) unhelpful and b) bloody silly, but I suppose a) trying to use simpler topics just gets shouted down anyway, and b) if you're going to be accused of scaremongering over every little thing, you might as well be hung for a sheep as for a lamb, and show what actual scaremongering sounds like, so Leave can tell the difference

Tomorrow's guest speaker for the in campaign is private Fraser.

(09-05-2016 13:15 )Doddle Wrote:  An awful lot of people on the Brexit side seem to want people to believe in a staggeringly unrealistic post-EU fantasy land, where the Tory government will suddenly start caring about things like the NHS, the steel industry and clamping down on tax-dodging. Even worse than, they they seem to expect people to be gullible enough to believe that the unrestrained Tories wouldn't concoct so-called "trade deals" that are much worse than the TTIP corporate power grab, and that stripping the English regions of their only proportional elections would somehow make Britain more democratic!

All this is just your own personal bias. The government is spending on europe the same amount it does on the NHS.

seriously having heard it...the PM is a proper CNUT for disrespecting the dead

(09-05-2016 21:07 )wackawoo Wrote:  

(09-05-2016 13:15 )Doddle Wrote:  An awful lot of people on the Brexit side seem to want people to believe in a staggeringly unrealistic post-EU fantasy land, where the Tory government will suddenly start caring about things like the NHS, the steel industry and clamping down on tax-dodging. Even worse than, they they seem to expect people to be gullible enough to believe that the unrestrained Tories wouldn't concoct so-called "trade deals" that are much worse than the TTIP corporate power grab, and that stripping the English regions of their only proportional elections would somehow make Britain more democratic!

All this is just your own personal bias. The government is spending on europe the same amount it does on the NHS.

Nope, it was a quote from the link in the post. You wanted links, if you don't read them then whose fault is that?

Besides, the government spends much more on bombing other countries in the name of peace. It could pay for all the Brexit's fantasy wish list that it claims Europe takes all our money for. But you don't attack that money, just Europe.

(10-05-2016 07:10 )Doddle Wrote:  ]Nope, it was a quote from the link in the post. You wanted links, if you don't read them then whose fault is that?

Besides, the government spends much more on bombing other countries in the name of peace. It could pay for all the Brexit's fantasy wish list that it claims Europe takes all our money for. But you don't attack that money, just Europe.

I've read enough thank you, I told you my mind was decided, I don't need any more unsubstantiated pro Europe propaganda.

Britian would have it's own sovereignty, with laws past in Britian for British people.

It would not have to abide by the open boarders policies.

She would be much much more better of finantially out of Europe. The only reason she wouldn't would be would be through trade black mail, such as Obama (this would have cause a diplomatic incident if he'd have said that to any other country except Britian, espcially in china)

As for Britian being safer from terrorist, what? if the mainland Europeans knew some information they wouldn't alert the UK to any dangers? That would be nice of them, in or out of Europe. Besides, UK would probably be safer, UK never had any problems, nor did the majority of the world, from 'Islamic' terrorist until the UK was dragged in to wars by America, the same America that is now saying we can get to the back of the queue. The same America that causes a lot of trouble in the middle east with it's complete no questions asked back up of Isreal. The same America that is only in the middle East due to oil, the same amerca that stood by and let millions be slaughetred in Rwanda and did very little in europe, then when they decided snap fingers to get the rest of the world do there bidding; ironically, their greatest allie, France of course, was the strongest against america at this time.

What are all these countries around the world britian is bombing? other than the American caused middle east mess? Just curious.

Britian contributes one of the most to Europe and gets by far the least back, including other big contributers.

Truth of the matter is, mainland Europe wants Britians money to finance their policies and use Britians soft touch approach to imigration to offload them onto us. Shame you are too swayed by the propaganda but I think all the imaginary countires britain is bombing around the world shows just how far your mind as be manipulated.

In his negotiations with Europe David Cameron was to unveal plans to restrict migration.
There was a draft statement explaining his emergency brake system for overall migration. But the Germans refused to allow it and it was dropped from the negotiations.

Which is proof that it's now the Germans who are running Europe

You only have IDS word for this being the case how comes its taken him months since he left to come up with this nuggett of info. would trust him as far as i could throw the fucker especially with my bad back

but u belive what you want to believe.

this referendum has been an excuse for all the fuckers in goverment and opposition to do fuck all. then when its over a few weeks later they will be going on there fucking holidays for 3 months !!

all the while my local has no A&E dept at night for the past month because cant find the staff to run it safely and other things going on that elected officals should be doing

You not having an A&E has nothing to do with the referendum.

And it's pro Europe supporter Jeremy Hunt who's trying his best to destroy the NHS.
But it's not just the Tory's who knifed the NHS. We lost our A&E under a Labour government.

(10-05-2016 10:33 )Charlemagne Wrote:  In his negotiations with Europe David Cameron was to unveal plans to restrict migration.
There was a draft statement explaining his emergency brake system for overall migration. But the Germans refused to allow it and it was dropped from the negotiations.

Which is proof that it's now the Germans who are running Europe

Which is what they have been trying to do since 1945!! wouldn't surprise me if they are trying to fix Eurovision as well!!