Europe, Referendum & Brexit (formerly Europe..IN or OUT??)

well last night we had Farage showing up Cameron (Farage for gods sake - another blithering idiot!)
and tonight as Osborne rattled through his forecasts and opinions of what might happen, Andrew Neils standard response was 'but you don't know that'
and lets face it, he doesn't have a very good record with his forecasts - growth of the economy, borrowing, debt repayment, 'austerity', even the last election - all wildly out...
At least Johnson's kept his mouth shut for a couple of days - or at least, thankfully I haven't seen him...

I wish these people would stick to facts - and the only fact we know is that if we stay in we continue down the path to full integration as a state in the European super state, if we leave we regain full independence. Thats all there is to it.

But it has struck me that there could be some really clever double-talk going on here...
Is it just me or are Cameron & Osborne putting the arguement to stay so badly in order to get us to vote Leave while Johnson & Farage are such idiots that the thought of them will make us stay...
the trouble is, no right minded person can believe a word any of them says!

(08-06-2016 19:48 )misterG Wrote:  well last night we had Farage showing up Cameron (Farage for gods sake - another blithering idiot!)

Or for another view:
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/brexit-debate-...11748.html

Quote:Farage is so used to fawning supporters that he can’t quite handle critical ones without becoming visibly cross and emotional. And then he starts making things up, evading the question and speaking down to the audience.

^ I'm looking forward to Andrew Neil shredding Farage in the interview on Friday night. I thought Osborn did well tonight under very aggressive questioning.

(08-06-2016 20:44 )Doddle Wrote:  Farage is so used to fawning supporters that he can’t quite handle critical ones without becoming visibly cross and emotional. And then he starts making things up, evading the question and speaking down to the audience.

thought I'd made my opinion of him clear
but again - its the problem with trusting biased commentators to tell the truth and give a balanced argument - no surprise that a pan-european broadcasting giant who happens to be listed on the FTSE would want us to stay - just cos its in their interests doesn't mean its in ours. Try this one:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/...dum-debat/

But they could have said:
"Farage, Cameron, Johnson and Osborne are so used to fawning supporters that they can’t quite handle critical ones without becoming visibly cross and emotional. And then they start making things up, evading the question and speaking down to the audience."
and it would still be true.

^ For gods sake don't trust the Telegraph to give anything approaching a balanced view on the referendum. It's so pro Brexit it's laughable & Boris is a columnist. Of course it's owners the Barclay brothers won't be affected in anyway as they live the life of feudal landlords in their castle on Sark.

(08-06-2016 20:59 )misterG Wrote:  no surprise that a pan-european broadcasting giant who happens to be listed on the FTSE would want us to stay

From what I saw of the country file thing, Boris got much more aggresivley questioned than Camaroon.

One thing though, what ever the out come, Camaroon's days are numbered.

There is a reason he Got a harder time on countryfile than Dave its because Farmers want to know whats going to happen on June 24th if We leave we know what will happen.

I actually think Camerons days are more numbered if Remain wins than if theres a vote to brexit. because I think there is no way Boris or Gove would want to go into negoiations in case the EU do play hard and like cameron they come back with a bad exit deal. Boris wants to be leader in a run into 2020 cant see him wanting to fuck up his chances

I think the current government have left it to late on changes to the benefit system.
Had changes been made sooner than I believe the referendum would be more one sided.

Is there any early polls to suggest which way it might go?

If it wasn't enough with the Americans poking their noses in.
Now we have the Cameroonians

(09-06-2016 03:39 )HannahsPet Wrote:  There is a reason he Got a harder time on countryfile than Dave its because Farmers want to know whats going to happen on June 24th if We leave we know what will happen.

They should have been treated equally. Country file is made by the BBC the BBC is a government thing.

On a different note, I got a leaftlet.

Says on it Albania, Mecedonia, Montenegro, Serbia and Turkey are all lined up to join the EU; are these poor eastern European countries again grabing from the EU pot, and over 80 million people elligable to go and live any where they like and claim their benefits?

What is most interesting is the UK at the moment is not allowed to negotiate our own trade deals it says, has such, does not have any with Australia, New Zealand, USE, India, China or Brazil; having to wait till 27 mainland Europe bias countries to agree with what we can or can't do - is this true?