Europe, Referendum & Brexit (formerly Europe..IN or OUT??)

(24-06-2016 18:39 )wackawoo Wrote:  What i find odd, there was no need for this referendum, there was no call for it, it was Cameroons it idea and the date set by him.

if that is the case than it came back and well and trully bit him on the arse. Serves the twat right.

(24-06-2016 18:39 )wackawoo Wrote:  What i find odd, there was no need for this referendum, there was no call for it, it was Cameroons it idea and the date set by him.

The EU referendum was not some great exercise in democracy, It was a ploy by Cameron to appease his EU hating backbenchers, and to stave off the electoral threat of UKIP, purely out of his and his party's own self-interest.

(24-06-2016 16:52 )The Silent Majority Wrote:  Leave him alone with his head in the sand, where it's safe

Now there's irony.

(24-06-2016 18:49 )wackawoo Wrote:  

(24-06-2016 18:46 )SecretAgent Wrote:  Wrong - read up on the Conservative Party to educate yourself

OK, the experts on the news today are wrong, you are right.
Was under the impression the PM was lead of them.

Are you related to slient majority?

No I just have more knowledge than you do

Go back to John Major's leadership and the trouble within the Conservatives about Europe has been a live issue since then

(24-06-2016 17:23 )HEX!T Wrote:  scotland was already told by the eu it would have to wait its turn if it separates from the uk at the last referendum.

Even if what you said was true it would not be relevant to the current situation.

Previously it would have been a case of Scotland leaving the UK and consequently the EU. And arguably having to find a way back in.

Now it's a case of Scotland BEING TAKEN OUT OF THE EU AGAINST ITS WILL.

In other words Scotland is not voluntarily leaving this time, it's being forced to leave. A totally different situation. Asking to stay inside the EU is not the same as leaving and applying to get back in.

(24-06-2016 18:49 )Charlemagne Wrote:  Am I correct in thinking that Britain doesn't need to Brexit
The question on the ballot paper said “Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union?”

It's just a question and there's no mention about actually leaving

No, the ballot paper read:

Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the
European Union or leave the European Union?

The two options being:

Remain a member of the European Union

Leave the European Union

Says it all really

(24-06-2016 18:55 )Scots Napoleon Wrote:  

(24-06-2016 17:23 )HEX!T Wrote:  scotland was already told by the eu it would have to wait its turn if it separates from the uk at the last referendum.

Even if what you said was true it would not be relevant to the current situation.

Previously it would have been a case of Scotland leaving the UK and consequently the EU. And arguably having to find a way back in.

Now it's a case of Scotland BEING TAKEN OUT OF THE EU AGAINST ITS WILL.

In other words Scotland is not voluntarily leaving this time, it's being forced to leave. A totally different situation. Asking to stay inside the EU is not the same as leaving and applying to get back in.

Previously, if it had voted for Independence, while Scotland was negotiating withdrawal from the UK, it would remain a member of the UK until Independence Day, and by definition, therefore, it would remain part of the EU, as a constituent Country of the Member State (the UK), so would negotiate with the EU to become a full Member State from within the EU.

(24-06-2016 18:52 )SecretAgent Wrote:  No I just have more knowledge than you do

Wasn't my knowledge, it was the people I was watching to day on the TV.

Do you think invent things? no, I have seen or read about them, and merely relate.

(24-06-2016 19:05 )Censorship :-( Wrote:  Previously, if it had voted for Independence, while Scotland was negotiating withdrawal from the UK, it would remain a member of the UK until Independence Day, and by definition, therefore, it would remain part of the EU, as a constituent Country of the Member State (the UK), so would negotiate with the EU to become a full Member State from within the EU.

I personally agree with you. That's why I used the word arguably.

The circumstances this time are still different though.