Europe, Referendum & Brexit (formerly Europe..IN or OUT??)

(25-06-2016 13:08 )circles_o_o_o Wrote:  

(25-06-2016 12:32 )the downtrodden Wrote:  It would be crazy not to have a second referendum, because how can people be held to a vote which took place years before?

You could argue that is what we just did. A second chance for people who had no say in 1975.

With the scores at 1-1, we need a Decider

(25-06-2016 16:02 )wackawoo Wrote:  

(25-06-2016 15:46 )Matt77 Wrote:  Outright veto is only on big issues but if you really care about a smaller issue that is decided by QMV you can threaten to veto a big issue that you actually support in principle - its called negotiating/politics/gamesmanship.

My point remains - we are now in a high level game of diplomatic poker and we've just taken away our own ability to bluff.

Can't see that causing any problems

Pointless trying to have an intelligent discourse with this guy - he's just not up to it!

I dont think that will happen to be honest. even the irish goverment says wont happen what we will do is keep the Common Travel Area which has been in place and just add a customs area to it so means no tarriffs or customs checks across the border so they can go free thru border and trade. wont be difficult to do because 1billion a week in goods and services go thru the border and we already have the Common travel area

Put it this way if we cant get a deal with the irish we got no fucking chance doing deals with any other country

The meme creators have been busy, just a couple here but there's plenty more :

Problem with the NI border is that unless you have effective immigration controls any EU national could fly to the Republic and the just saunter across into NI. It was said by Remain in the campaign you either need a proper border or you'd have to subject everyone coming in from NI to the mainland to immigration controls.

yeah they could get as far as NI but guessing thats as far as they would get because we are an island and to get from NI to the mainland would have to go thru passport control

(25-06-2016 15:55 )Censorship :-( Wrote:  

(25-06-2016 15:36 )HEX!T Wrote:  

(25-06-2016 11:23 )Censorship :-( Wrote:  

(24-06-2016 14:28 )HEX!T Wrote:  

(24-06-2016 12:09 )wackawoo Wrote:  snip

SNIP

That would be the same TTIP that the Tories are 'champing at the bit' to sign up to?

yes mate the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comm...79688.html just 1 article of many that were against the idea.
its 1 of the main reasons i voted leave.

My point being that, with the UK no longer going to be in the EU, and the Tories in power at Westminster, leaving has only increased the risk of the UK being signed up to TTIP.

true but at least the public will be aware of it because labour wont allow the cons to whitewash over it like the eu commission was allowing.

also the cons would suddenly become accountable for the ttip., before brexit they could potentially say it was an eu decision.
this way they cant hide behind the eu and would be accountable to joe public.. especially if it started costing jobs the same way it did in the u.s.

accountability does make politicians more wary, which is a good thing.