Europe, Referendum & Brexit (formerly Europe..IN or OUT??)

(11-07-2016 19:04 )Matt77 Wrote:  Please for the love of god wackawoo can you ease up on these semi-literate and poorly argued posts on the EU. .....

Firstly, I see no reason to insult me as I have never insulted you, it's my experiance that poeple who resort to name calling and ESPECIALLY if they have resort to being a gramma nazi, really have no significant counter argument.

Secondly, don't get mad if some one points out something you don't like, that graph was not mine but was from the gaurdian, if those facts and figures are wrong belly ache to them not me.

Thirdly, there are well over three quarters of the worlds contries that are not in the single market and trade quite happily with the EU including USA, China, Australia and so on (presumably profitably); being in the single market is crutial to Britian is complete scare mongering hogwash from the remain camp. From what I read, it all depended on how the other EU members reacted to the UK leaving, if they were bad, Britian (as a worse case scenario) could lose 2% of it's GNP per year, best case scenario it could GAIN up to 2%, so it's not force to be all doom and gloom you seem to have convinced yourself off - IT ALL DEPENDS ON THE OUT COME OF NEGOTIATIONS THAT HAVE NOT STARTED YET.

Fourthly: the figures are there, the UK contributes much more to the EU than it gets back, it even gets back much less than other contributers, what I have never seen (certainly not from you), but ask on many occasions; what finantially is the amount recieved by the UK by being in the single market? Further more why would trade to the UK, (which incidentally imports TWICE the amount from the EU than the EU receives from us), just end?

Fithly, I'm dyslexic has I have stated on numerous occasions, if you had read any of my posts (rather than knee jerk to one of them) you would have known this.

Sixthly, and talking about you not having read my posts, I didn't vote, I didn't see any where where there would be a SIGNIFICANT loss OR gain by being in or out of the EU

Quote:Any chance we can now see some realistic concrete proposals as to how Britain is going to function

Yes becasue one of the richest, most powerful countries win the world, that is in NATO and WILL have significant trade ties with the EU as well as the rest of the world, not to mention existed for hundreds of years OUTSIDE the EU under much more difficult circumstances, would just cease to be able to function the moment it leaves the single market it's been in all of 40 years in it's entire history.

Lastly, stop turning a blind eye to facts and figures you don't like if they don't fit you rose tinted view of the EU.

(11-07-2016 20:50 )brummie Wrote:  Biggest parasite of all was of course freaky Farage. Remember how concerned he was about the plight of UK fishermen? But as a member of the fisheries committee he turned up for 1 of 42 meetings and failed to vote on any attempt to reform the policy.

Still happy to pick up the expenses though of course.

If something is taking more from it's host, it is parasitic.

Could call the scots and welsh parasites then In fact as you said you were on benefits there fore taking more than you contribute then some would class you as a parasite in fact some might say pensioners are parasites

whats with parasites its language like that that makes u sound like a right

not calling anyone by the way just making the point !!

wont be long before that laguage gets you to this http://research.calvin.edu/german-propag...arasit.htm
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(11-07-2016 23:40 )wackawoo Wrote:  

(11-07-2016 21:16 )The Silent Majority Wrote:  The bigger picture is that the money given to the 'parasites' is an investment, rather than a handout, to help them develop to a point where they too would would become net contributors one day.

I'm not saying it's working, but that's the aspiration.

I notice, in the midst of your hysteria, you didn't answer SecretAgent's question....

(11-07-2016 23:45 )wackawoo Wrote:  

(11-07-2016 21:03 )The Silent Majority Wrote:  And that would have held as much water the next morning as the £350m to the NHS promise did.

All I ever hear is this 350m exaggeration,

I'm surprised you didn't prefix exaggeration with 'slight'.
It was a lie.

(11-07-2016 23:45 )wackawoo Wrote:  I believe the more realistic amount is 100m

So you're saying there will be an extra £100m/week for the NHS as a direct result of Brexit? Do you have a link to this commitment?

(12-07-2016 06:34 )HannahsPet Wrote:  Could call the scots and welsh parasites then In fact as you said you were on benefits there fore taking more than you contribute then some would class you as a parasite in fact some might say pensioners are parasites

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Totally agree, I am a parasite on society, I've certianly been told it enough, the better the job people have, the more money people are making and therefore the more tax they are paying the worse they are (being on sick pay of course is nothing more than an excuse for freeloading). However, you have no idea what I or my family have contributed to the government coffers, it may actually be considerablly more than you have, who knows?

As for anything else your opnions of me personally, like anybody elses on here, is totally worthless, since you don't know me personally.

The problem is, you can't really have a rational debate with extremist, and the remain poeple on here are pretty much as extreme as it gets. They just turn a blind eye to what you put and just dwell on what suites their arguments. For example, all I am hearing about is parasite this parasite the other, this was just one tiny FACTUAL brief throw away comment on a post pointing out that Britian was paying one of the most to the EU and getting back much less then even the other big contributers; let alone the amount the people in luxemburg get person compaired to anywhere else in the EU, where by hap a lot of EU institutions are; this would probably trigger an investigation any where else.

To people on this thread, the EU is the most glorious of glories and can do no wrong, without it the UK is finnish, when somebody more objective comes along and says' well actually that's not necessarily the case', it's met with derision, personal insults and general attacks; I suspect it's the reason that very very few leave people come on here to debate, they probably know it's usless and pointless trying.

As for the leave, I don't have to counter what they say, I was in the EU, it had no noticable effect on my life that I could see and there was no MASSIVE arguments that I could see to leave; as I have said nobody knows, it's all guess work either way.

That said, to me, it's pretty clear that being out of the EU is not going to be the catastrophy that the remain camp would have you believe and it COULD be much better for the UK; even if the worse case scenario came to pass the UK might be the 6 or 7th richest country in the world, not the 5th; and has a friend said to me (an imigrant), 'the problem with people in Britian they seem to think that having a 42 inch TV not a 52 inch TV is a problem'.

As for the Scots and welsh, pretty difficult to see who they can be parasites on Britian if they are British, if however, the scots where to leave the UK and still be getting more perhead from the EU than they were contributing, then yes at that point they would, and rather than them being 'independant' as a lot seem to crave for, they would in effect be subservient to the faceless men in the EU.

Consider this.

Lets assume there was a parliament in French Canada, lets assume they most of that was made up of french canadians, lets assume these fench canadians were un elected and un acountable to the people, lets then assume these said canadians were sat around a table and making laws with no imput from the poeple, but which every single person in the United states of america HAD to abided by, how would people in America react to this? Especially if the nominal US representatives could be out voted. This simple would not happen. Yet it is happening in the EU, Europe is NOT one country it is many, this should always be troubleing. The UK is not all powerful that it can veto everything it doesn't like; it it's out voted it's out voted.

(12-07-2016 07:23 )The Silent Majority Wrote:  So you're saying there will be an extra £100m/week for the NHS as a direct result of Brexit? Do you have a link to this commitment?

I didn't say anything of the sort dear boy, this is whay i put 'I believe' but that is the claim made

However, leaving the EU could result in 100 mil extra, even in the worse case scenarios in the links below that is confirmed.

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/gove-p...-cxlgfx92j

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu...m-36040060

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/pol...73241.html

(12-07-2016 06:34 )HannahsPet Wrote:  wont be long before that laguage gets you to this http://research.calvin.edu/german-propag...arasit.htm
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I just clicked this link.

OK, now I'm a Nazi that wont's millions of Jews exterminated?

I think even by this threads standards thats stupid, I knew the remain have been wagging the race card but seriously.

Wasn't you the half German? Quite ironic.

(12-07-2016 11:51 )wackawoo Wrote:  

(12-07-2016 06:34 )HannahsPet Wrote:  Could call the scots and welsh parasites then In fact as you said you were on benefits there fore taking more than you contribute then some would class you as a parasite in fact some might say pensioners are parasites

.

Totally agree, I am a parasite on society, I've certianly been told it enough, the better the job people have, the more money people are making and therefore the more tax they are paying the worse they are (being on sick pay of course is nothing more than an excuse for freeloading). However, you have no idea what I or my family have contributed to the government coffers, it may actually be considerablly more than you have, who knows?

As for anything else your opnions of me personally, like anybody elses on here, is totally worthless, since you don't know me personally.

The problem is, you can't really have a rational debate with extremist, and the remain poeple on here are pretty much as extreme as it gets. They just turn a blind eye to what you put and just dwell on what suites their arguments. For example, all I am hearing about is parasite this parasite the other, this was just one tiny FACTUAL brief throw away comment on a post pointing out that Britian was paying one of the most to the EU and getting back much less then even the other big contributers; let alone the amount the people in luxemburg get person compaired to anywhere else in the EU, where by hap a lot of EU institutions are; this would probably trigger an investigation any where else.

To people on this thread, the EU is the most glorious of glories and can do no wrong, without it the UK is finnish, when somebody more objective comes along and says' well actually that's not necessarily the case', it's met with derision, personal insults and general attacks; I suspect it's the reason that very very few leave people come on here to debate, they probably know it's usless and pointless trying.

As for the leave, I don't have to counter what they say, I was in the EU, it had no noticable effect on my life that I could see and there was no MASSIVE arguments that I could see to leave; as I have said nobody knows, it's all guess work either way.

That said, to me, it's pretty clear that being out of the EU is not going to be the catastrophy that the remain camp would have you believe and it COULD be much better for the UK; even if the worse case scenario came to pass the UK might be the 6 or 7th richest country in the world, not the 5th; and has a friend said to me (an imigrant), 'the problem with people in Britian they seem to think that having a 42 inch TV not a 52 inch TV is a problem'.

As for the Scots and welsh, pretty difficult to see who they can be parasites on Britian if they are British, if however, the scots where to leave the UK and still be getting more perhead from the EU than they were contributing, then yes at that point they would, and rather than them being 'independant' as a lot seem to crave for, they would in effect be subservient to the faceless men in the EU.

Consider this.

Lets assume there was a parliament in French Canada, lets assume they most of that was made up of french canadians, lets assume these fench canadians were un elected and un acountable to the people, lets then assume these said canadians were sat around a table and making laws with no imput from the poeple, but which every single person in the United states of america HAD to abided by, how would people in America react to this? Especially if the nominal US representatives could be out voted. This simple would not happen. Yet it is happening in the EU, Europe is NOT one country it is many, this should always be troubleing. The UK is not all powerful that it can veto everything it doesn't like; it it's out voted it's out voted.

for one i was not really calling you a parasite and i said that in the last message. because 1 your right i dont know your situation and 2 i would be a hypocrite because ive used the system myself because of illness and will proberly have to use it again before i retire. and my father is also on the sick


I was merely explaing when u use the term parasite then others could so you that way

Im sorry u calling me a Extremist are you for Real !! your the one using deflamtory language like parasite about other countrys not me

Why is it that People who use that language always paint themselves as the victim
getting picked on because they cant win the argument any other way

(12-07-2016 12:05 )wackawoo Wrote:  

(12-07-2016 06:34 )HannahsPet Wrote:  wont be long before that laguage gets you to this http://research.calvin.edu/german-propag...arasit.htm
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I just clicked this link.

OK, now I'm a Nazi that wont's millions of Jews exterminated?

I think even by this threads standards thats stupid, I knew the remain have been wagging the race card but seriously.

Wasn't you the half German? Quite ironic.

No but you were using the words they used

can members please be more careful in choosing the words they use to describe whole nations of people, so as to not cause offense.

thanks.