US Election & Presidency

(02-02-2017 20:39 )terence Wrote:  your really gonna argue with skully? it's ok arguing with with me but he's literally the best person on here. your veiled right wing bullshit is plain to see for everyone.

just be up front with your views, people will respect you more for it.

No becasue he can reason with out getting abusive or emotinal.

There was a minor disagreement over intent, nothing more.

(02-02-2017 20:47 )MR PERFECT Wrote:  Anti Trump propaganda? He has been telling lies since he decided to run for president and is now telling the media to stay quiet. They changed the rules so they don't an agreement to approve the people they want to appoint and use gut instinct instead of intelligence detail before launching a stroke no one is a bigger threat to democracy than him and your a little put out that someone doesn't like him?

Of course it's propaganda, the same way his bleeting on about druggys and rapist pouring over the Mexico boarder is; but we certainly heard a heap load about his exaggerations.

The whole reason the world is in this mess in the first place was US propaganda over weapons of mass destruction.

(02-02-2017 22:33 )wackawoo Wrote:  

(02-02-2017 20:47 )MR PERFECT Wrote:  Anti Trump propaganda? He has been telling lies since he decided to run for president and is now telling the media to stay quiet. They changed the rules so they don't an agreement to approve the people they want to appoint and use gut instinct instead of intelligence detail before launching a stroke no one is a bigger threat to democracy than him and your a little put out that someone doesn't like him?

Of course it's propaganda, the same way his bleeting on about druggys and rapist pouring over the Mexico boarder is; but we certainly heard a heap load about his exaggerations.

The whole reason the world is in this mess in the first place was US propaganda over weapons of mass destruction.

Yes Bush and Blair did lie about WMDs but enough time has passed now for us all to have a proper way of proceeding and not some gut instinct or emotional outburst from Trump. He could take us all down a very long and hard road.

He really needs to get his PR sorted out and make it professional and clear instead of how it has been up to now. He will do one or two good things but it will be lost in a sea of incompetence from his spokesperson and the likes of Conway who are in it for the profile and not to achieve anything for the people.

(02-02-2017 22:39 )MR PERFECT Wrote:  Yes Bush and Blair did lie about WMDs but enough time has passed now for us all to have a proper way of proceeding and not some gut instinct or emotional outburst from Trump. He could take us all down a very long and hard road.

He really needs to get his PR sorted out and make it professional and clear instead of how it has been up to now. He will do one or two good things but it will be lost in a sea of incompetence from his spokesperson and the likes of Conway who are in it for the profile and not to achieve anything for the people.

This is true, but all the vitriol and marches are only going to make him dig his heels in, this much is clear.

Retrained legal challenges to more of his extreme policies is whats needed.

Protest are one thing but as it is now it's not helping anything; it didn't help the remainers case, it isn't their's, and it certainly isn't his.

Nobody likes extremism, except extremists, and they are in the minority.

(03-02-2017 00:04 )wackawoo Wrote:  

(02-02-2017 22:39 )MR PERFECT Wrote:  Yes Bush and Blair did lie about WMDs but enough time has passed now for us all to have a proper way of proceeding and not some gut instinct or emotional outburst from Trump. He could take us all down a very long and hard road.

He really needs to get his PR sorted out and make it professional and clear instead of how it has been up to now. He will do one or two good things but it will be lost in a sea of incompetence from his spokesperson and the likes of Conway who are in it for the profile and not to achieve anything for the people.

This is true, but all the vitriol and marches are only going to make him dig his heels in, this much is clear.

Retrained legal challenges to more of his extreme policies is whats needed.

Protest are one thing but as it is now it's not helping anything; it didn't help the remainers case, it isn't their's, and it certainly isn't his.

Nobody likes extremism, except extremists, and they are in the minority.

people have the right to a peaceful protest to make there voice heard Trump not liking it is not enough to ban it.
Was there really any extreme heat in a march? I saw nothing to support that notion only just some nonsense rants from Trump suggesting people didn't respect his authorata (Cartman). Or that more people attended his inaguration than they actually did. The ladies March in particular was very peaceful. Maybe Trump just suffers from small man syndrome and has to kick up just because he is not universally adored.. he is still trying to convince people the popular vote was rigged.

If anyone did benefit from Russian interference surely it was him?.

Now they changed the rules regarding appointments to government so who is going to mount the legal challenge that will have a chance to succeed. Trump is going to take away the notion of democracy.

He only ran as an ego boost he hasn't got a large list of things he wants to do beyond making life awkward for minorities.

(02-02-2017 20:39 )terence Wrote:  your veiled right wing bullshit is plain to see for everyone.

just be up front with your views, people will respect you more for it.

In the same way you are wrong about me and Brexit, you are wrong here.

Show me were I have agreed with anything Trump has said, quite the oppsite in fact.

I just don't get hysterical about these things.

He is very unusual, he sounds reasonable in interviews and talks a lot of sense when you ACTUALLY LISTEN to him, then there is this extremist side that everybody is up in arms about. Lets face it, they didn't want him president and they didn't want brexit, they didn't get the out come they wanted, and like with brexit, people are kicking up a damn stink because they didn't get their own way and hiding behind a spurious moral out rage.

Unlike you extremist who just think everything about him and Brexit is bad, I'm trying to work out what he REALLY is.

You people just ignore both the positive things he has said and turned a blind eye to what other presidents have done that he is only doing and extending.

I posted a link on here where he clearly states that islamophobia is bad, the extension of the Mexican Wall is just that, extending what's already there, like wise with the suspension of certain majority Muslim countries, he's just taking it to it's nth degree, some might say a natural conclusion of what other presidents started (or at least water it down and make excuses for them).

What is it? If you build a little wall and have little restrictions that's ok? but finnishing the job off is not? Even though it's exactly the same principle behind it?

You people, like with Brexit, like with my post, only read what you want to to fit your own prejudice beliefs. As far as you are concerned I'm a right wing brexit, i'm neither, and I could find post after post to support my claim but it still wouldn't matter because you have made your mind up, like you have on leaving the EU and like you have on Trump.

For all the propaganda about Trump and the virtual mass hysteria against him becoming president, the thing I'm found most ominous is him sacking that woman who challanged him, that was very concerning. That said, a president is only a president as long as the military and law enforcers are behind that president; and I'm pretty sure they just can't do exactly as they wont.

Apart from that, even if some was on here a frothing at the mouth supporter of every little last thing he has said, they would have EVERY right to state those things without a pack attacking them. I was looking that that silly Shia Lebouf or what ever the hell is name is, attacking that puney bloke at one of those marches, seriously, like he didn't have the right to counter protest or something.

(03-02-2017 00:33 )MR PERFECT Wrote:  Now they changed the rules regarding appointments to government so who is going to mount the legal challenge that will have a chance to succeed. Trump is going to take away the notion of democracy.

He only ran as an ego boost he hasn't got a large list of things he wants to do beyond making life awkward for minorities.

Can presidents be sacked?

Doubt you could have a demongraphically elected president taking away the notion of democracy.

He could just re write laws that elections have to be every four years and limited to 2 terms.

(03-02-2017 00:47 )wackawoo Wrote:  

(02-02-2017 20:39 )terence Wrote:  your veiled right wing bullshit is plain to see for everyone.

just be up front with your views, people will respect you more for it.

In the same way you are wrong about me and Brexit, you are wrong here.

Show me were I have agreed with anything Trump has said, quite the oppsite in fact.

I just don't get hysterical about these things.

He is very unusual, he sounds reasonable in interviews and talks a lot of sense when you ACTUALLY LISTEN to him, then there is this extremist side that everybody is up in arms about. Lets face it, they didn't want him president and they didn't want brexit, they didn't get the out come they wanted, and like with brexit, people are kicking up a damn stink because they didn't get their own way and hiding behind a spurious moral out rage.

Unlike you extremist who just think everything about him and Brexit is bad, I'm trying to work out what he REALLY is.

You people just ignore both the positive things he has said and turned a blind eye to what other presidents have done that he is only doing and extending.

I posted a link on here where he clearly states that islamophobia is bad, the extension of the Mexican Wall is just that, extending what's already there, like wise with the suspension of certain majority Muslim countries, he's just taking it to it's nth degree, some might say a natural conclusion of what other presidents started (or at least water it down and make excuses for them).

What is it? If you build a little wall and have little restrictions that's ok? but finnishing the job off is not? Even though it's exactly the same principle behind it?

You people, like with Brexit, like with my post, only read what you want to to fit your own prejudice beliefs. As far as you are concerned I'm a right wing brexit, i'm neither, and I could find post after post to support my claim but it still wouldn't matter because you have made your mind up, like you have on leaving the EU and like you have on Trump.

For all the propaganda about Trump and the virtual mass hysteria against him becoming president, the thing I'm found most ominous is him sacking that woman who challanged him, that was very concerning. That said, a president is only a president as long as the military and law enforcers are behind that president; and I'm pretty sure they just can't do exactly as they wont.

Apart from that, even if some was on here a frothing at the mouth supporter of every little last thing he has said, they would have EVERY right to state those things without a pack attacking them. I was looking that that silly Shia Lebouf or what ever the hell is name is, attacking that puney bloke at one of those marches, seriously, like he didn't have the right to counter protest or something.

A problem with the countries he banned is that they have not been found guilty of any bombings or persistent attacks on humans. He has not included countries where he has business interests. The wall will do nothing it's just an opportunity to say he did something.

A major problem with taking him serious is the Jekyll and Hyde that lies deep within him. He can't control himself.. during the campaign for example he'd go along fine saying something then he'd be off script and start ranting.

With regards to yourself if you stop addressing folks here as you people you may find they cooperate with you a bit better (just a suggestion not trying to get you fired up)

(03-02-2017 00:57 )MR PERFECT Wrote:  A major problem with taking him serious is the Jekyll and Hyde that lies deep within him. He can't control himself.. during the campaign for example he'd go along fine saying something then he'd be off script and start ranting.

With regards to yourself if you stop addressing folks here as you people you may find they cooperate with you a bit better (just a suggestion not trying to get you fired up)

He does seem to have that Jekyll and Hyde thing going on. He's clearly very intelligent and successful, but he aint a politician. It may be no more than he's simply out of his depth.

As for 'you people', it's only about 4 or 5 i'm refering too, they know who they are