Europe, Referendum & Brexit (formerly Europe..IN or OUT??)

Now a fresh legal challenge - this time on our position in the EEA which is yo be raised in the High Court and I can only see this having only one outcome a our position in the EEA can only be repealed via an Act of Parliament why wasn't this mentioned pf the referendum vote last June?

(02-02-2017 23:15 )SecretAgent Wrote:  ^ Abbot reportedly had a migraine and so went home although many believe that rather than disobey Corbyn and vote for article 50 she took the cowards way out. Many Labour MP's voted in line with how their constituencies had voted even if it meant they disobeyed Corbyn. Others voted as instructed even though they were remainers.

Seems like anti-Corbyn mischief, really, I've suffered with migraines for nearly 30 years (different ones, not just one big one ) and it's perfectly possible that there wasn't any paracetamol in the Houses of Parliament.
It does seem a bit dubious, but it's up to the John Mann tendency to prove their claims rather than pretend it's acceptable to spread malicious gossip like this. Are they auditioning for UKIP or what?

(03-02-2017 03:26 )wackawoo Wrote:  I have no sympathy for people who not only don't stand by their convictions, but actually vote against them.

Says the man who posts endlessly in this thread, yet didn't have the balls to actually vote in the referendum.

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(03-02-2017 08:32 )The Silent Majority Wrote:  Says the man who posts endlessly in this thread, yet didn't have the balls to actually vote in the referendum.

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A democracy is a right to vote, but it is also a right not to vote.

Some of us like to look at things from every angle and not just knee jerk vote.

Some of us read up on what could be a possitive outcome of leaving the EU, some off us didn't just assume it would be all doom and gloom and the sky falling in.

Some of us didn't suddenly start living in denial about vast imigration into a small island being a problem, some of us didn't forget the press being full of attacks on imigrants and the government stating it was a problem, some of us didn't suddenly think imigration was the best thing in the world and the only way the UK could survive, more the merrier and open our boarders please.

However, someone us saw that we were the fifth richest country, some of us also read where at best UK would be 2% better of leaving the EU by GDP, 2% worst off if leaving also.

Some of us asked the question, was leaving the EU worth that increase in GDP IF it happened, control of our own law making, and control of imigration.

Some of us came to the conclusion that if all the above did fall into place then it would indeed be a fantasitic thing for the UK to leave.

BUT, and it's a big BUT.

It all depends on the unkonwn and whether the rest of the EU will play ball, and the unknown and the rest of the EU playing ball is a pretty big IF.

Some of us stated clearly in post 157, I was debating whether to vote leave or not vote (voting stay was never part of the agender), the intention was quite clear from the start. Some of us at the time decided after a lot of reading everywhere there was not enough evidence, even if the good case scenario occured, that the UK would be massively better off for leaving, some of us therefore decided not to vote. Some of us knew there was no where near enough information to really make a proper informed decision, but propaganda and rhetoric on both sides, what evidence was there was vastly complex for lay poeple.

Now I'm sorry if your brain can't comprihend that, even though some of us have told you, how many times is it now? But you don't HAVE to vote if you don't think there's any point in doing so.

If you was a little bit brighter, you'd probably realise that at the time of voting some of us was probably more pro EU then brexit otherwise some of us would have voted out.

(03-02-2017 07:56 )babelover48 Wrote:  Now a fresh legal challenge - this time on our position in the EEA which is yo be raised in the High Court and I can only see this having only one outcome a our position in the EEA can only be repealed via an Act of Parliament why wasn't this mentioned pf the referendum vote last June?

The legal challenge you mentioned was kicked out in High Court earlier this morning, the judges rejected the notion that another vote in Parliament is required for UK to pull out of the EEA.

Regarding the Dianne Abbott fiasco apparently Dianne's parents wrote a school note explaining her absence.It basically said something along the lines of " I'm sorry Dianne wasn't able to attend this evening this was due her suffering from a bout of the brexit shits".Apparently the diarrhoeah was coming out at both ends.
Old 'champagne socialist' Dianne Abbott has always been a 'do as I say not do as I do' politician as history as shown & particularly after listening to her on Question Time & other t.v interviews stating her position regarding the vote of triggering Article 50.
The fact that 2 Labour MP's currently going through cancer treatment Grahame Morris & Ronnie Campbell made the journey to vote shows Dianne for what she is.
Andrew Neil seemed to enjoy taking the piss out of her on This Week programme last night after Question Time.

(03-02-2017 08:32 )The Silent Majority Wrote:  Says the man who posts endlessly in this thread, yet didn't have the balls to actually vote in the referendum.

Exactly. Pick a side and vote, or don't vote if you don't have a horse in the race. Whatever you choose, mark your ballet paper (or don't) and move on.

However if you decide not to vote and just sit on the fence sniping at others, you're nothing more than an Oxygen Thief.

(03-02-2017 14:48 )wackawoo Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 08:32 )The Silent Majority Wrote:  Says the man who posts endlessly in this thread, yet didn't have the balls to actually vote in the referendum.

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A long post full of bullshit

I'm psychic

I've always held the belief that was drilled into me at a young age by my late grandfather which was 'if you don't vote don't complain about the result afterwards'.
He was persistant about the importance of voting & he would often roll out the Uncle Albert lines about 'fighting in the war for the freedom to vote'.He was right though as he & his 4 brothers all fought in WW2 for the freedoms we have today.

During the EU Referendum last year the amount of people I came across when I asked if they were voting replied that they couldn't be bothered as 'it wouldn't make a difference' shocked me at times.It was like the old saying 'it doesn't matter who you vote for the Government always gets in power'.I literally told them 'then don't complain about the result',whether anything sunk in or struck a chord with them I don't know hopefully it did.

Whilst a lot of people complain about politics in this country at least it is democratic even if we don't always get the result we want.

(03-02-2017 20:25 )The Silent Majority Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 14:48 )wackawoo Wrote:  

(03-02-2017 08:32 )The Silent Majority Wrote:  Says the man who posts endlessly in this thread, yet didn't have the balls to actually vote in the referendum.

(Cue a long post full of bullshit and links nobody bothers to click on)

A long post full of bullshit

I'm psychic

No, you are doing what you always have, no intention of reading anything or understanding anyhting, just looking for cheap shots with your irrational hate.

My replies are for the more fair minded rational ones out there who take time to read what people actually say.

It may suprise you to learn, that a lot of people actually agree with what I say, they just don't what to have to deal with the crap the likes for you throw at people.

Myself, I don't cower to bullys who think their opnion is the only one.

(03-02-2017 20:37 )Jack the Nipper Wrote:  I've always held the belief that was drilled into me at a young age by my late grandfather which was 'if you don't vote don't complain about the result afterwards'.

If I didn't want to vote labour, didn't want to vote conservatives, didn't want to vote libral democrats, and thought a vote for all the other fringe parties was a waste of a vote, what should i do? Vote for a party that I really didn't agree with becasue my Great Uncle was killed at Gallipolli? Or excercise my right not to vote for poeple I think are self serving and unscrupulous?

I know what I would do and continue to do.

A right to vote is NOT being FORCED to vote.

I'm not complaining about the result referendum, my post have been to people that ARE complaining about a democratic vote and trying to block that. In addiion countering the attitude that leaving the EU can be nothing but bad.