Europe, Referendum & Brexit (formerly Europe..IN or OUT??)

If I didn't want to vote labour, didn't want to vote conservatives, didn't want to vote libral democrats, and thought a vote for all the other fringe parties was a waste of a vote, what should i do? Vote for a party that I really didn't agree with becasue my Great Uncle was killed at Gallipolli? Or excercise my right not to vote for poeple I think are self serving and unscrupulous?

I know what I would do and continue to do.

A right to vote is NOT being FORCED to vote.

I'm not complaining about the result referendum, my post have been to people that ARE complaining about a democratic vote and trying to block that. In addiion countering the attitude that leaving the EU can be nothing but bad.
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My comment wasn't aimed at you but mainly the people in my family,friends,work colleagues & others who I encounter daily who constantly complain about the state of the country etc but can't be bothered to vote.But since you bit on my comment it's my turn to reply.
Firstly I would never endorse compulsory voting for the same reason that you mention that there is not a great choice of parties to choose from.The fact that 85%+ of MP's are staunch Remainers regarding EU doesn't really seem to reflect the opinion of country.On previous Elections as a protest I've sometimes put my own tick box with none of them written on the ballot paper as I felt it was better than not voting at all, I do believe that if a 'none of them' option is put on the ballot paper at Election time it would probably get more votes than any political party.
The EU result would I hope get the MP's to finally wake up & not take the electorate for granted.


Secondly I stood behind my convictions & voted 'leave' in the EU Referendum & if there were 100 referendums (& Lib Dems get their wish) I would vote 'leave' everytime.Even though the cynic in me thought the results were rigged to remain on the 23rd I still voted leave nonetheless.
You've stood as a staunch Leaver on the forums (& I tip my hat to you for that),but when it came to the crunch you didn't back up your convictions by voting in the end,you're like Dianne Abbott of the forums say one thing do another at voting time.Some people on other forums have also dared suggest that people who didn't vote is assumed a Remainer in the statistics as they didn't go out & vote leave (which I disagree with).
Like you I have/do get annoyed at times by politicians,celebrities,tv presenters etc constantly saying that 'us leavers' didn't know what they were voting for,I knew perfectly well.The likes Tim Farron,Nick Clegg,Owen Smith etc only do democracy when it suits them.

(04-02-2017 00:07 )Jack the Nipper Wrote:  On previous Elections as a protest I've sometimes put my own tick box with none of them written on the ballot paper as I felt it was better than not voting at all, I do believe that if a 'none of them' option is put on the ballot paper at Election time it would probably get more votes than any political party.

You know what, I have never understood that, people aren't voting when they do that, just making it look like they are, people may as well just stay at home and say they didn't vote.

Fine if you think you are not wasting a vote, but I don't quite understand it, I get it, but don't understand it.

Quote:You've stood as a staunch Leaver on the forums (& I tip my hat to you for that),but when it came to the crunch you didn't back up your convictions by voting in the end

But that's been the consistant mis understanding from day one on here, and it doens't matter how many times I tell people, when this all started I had zero interest in politics, voted about 3 times in my life and knew jack squat about the EU

I posted a link, which, as silent majority pointed out, nobody bothers to click, so I will just have to quote it:

Post number 157 on this thread, the date being the 10th of March 2016, virtually a year ago:

http://www.babeshows.co.uk/showthread.ph...9&page=273

Quote:I am not a political animal, I have never claimed to be, I think I have voted 3 times in all my life, I don't vote because I think they are all a bunch of self serving power mongers; whoever has been power it has never really had any effect on my life personally.

Europe is a hugely different situation all together. Again, I have absolutely no knowledge of European politics but i am considering voting, at the moment that vote is more than likely to be an out vote, but one based on gut reaction rather than informed knowledge, however, I would like to be as fully informed as I can be before making my decision to vote out, or not to vote at all; I will not vote for in since there seems to be a majority for that. So all these questions I am asking are for a reason, and all the challengers to the responses are there to clarify the facts of the matter in my mind. I cannot be the only one in this situation.

Mate, my position on the matter has been absolute and completely consistant, and I did EXACTLY what I said I would do and did not deviate.

My choice was to vote out or not vote at all, on weighing the evidence I decided not to.

Yet, I am vilified by most on here as being a raging brexiter, but wont admit it, then vilified for not voting at all by the people who call me a raging brexiter.

I have never been a convervative, never been labour, never been for any political party, never been a Brexiter and never been a remainer, but leaving the EU did strick me has being TOO important a vote not to look into it. I, like others, assumed we would stay in the EU, my voting out would be a vote against that, it's a shame all these rabid remainers don't understand the implications of that. That being said, my not voting was a mind acedemic decision, my gut and my heart DOES think that leaving the EU could be an absolutely wonderful thing for UK, bu the are a few things that need to be inplace for that, one of those being an Anglophile US president, the other being the rest of the EU's attitude and thats the sticking point.

It's just a shame that the rest of the population didn't take the time and effort I have done, in the face of horrendous gang handed attacks, to try and get to the absolutes behind brexit, may be then vote would be a little different if they did.

The truth is that nobody who voted actually knew what they were voting for, because this has never been done before.
We were all given a bunch of information and we had to take it from there, that's it.
As I said before, I voted to leave and I'm not ashamed of that, no matter what happens. I will not be made to feel like I should be held accountable if it goes wrong.
If the government are stupid enough to put such a huge decision in the hands of Joe Public (advisory or not) then none of us should be worried about how we voted. It's the government who get paid to lead the country, not us.

(03-02-2017 17:52 )Jack the Nipper Wrote:  The fact that 2 Labour MP's currently going through cancer treatment Grahame Morris & Ronnie Campbell made the journey to vote shows Dianne for what she is.
Andrew Neil seemed to enjoy taking the piss out of her on This Week programme last night after Question Time.

Andrew's probably sulking because she's not a regular panellist on the show any more He's one of the most biased journalists there is.

they hate each other after she said a stupid remark about black mums and there kids. i remember and he said she was being racist and if portillo had said white mums do more for there kids you would be screaming racism at him. she is a A grade hypocrite though sent her son to a Private school when shes against it for others

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...Neill.html

Andrew Neil is a bloody good interviewer the Cybernats hate him cos he tore the SNP apart

used to love him ripping labour politicans during the Election. he had one so on the floor the labour press team cut the link to the studio

(04-02-2017 06:58 )Bandwagon Wrote:  The truth is that nobody who voted actually knew what they were voting for, because this has never been done before.
We were all given a bunch of information and we had to take it from there, that's it.
As I said before, I voted to leave and I'm not ashamed of that, no matter what happens. I will not be made to feel like I should be held accountable if it goes wrong.
If the government are stupid enough to put such a huge decision in the hands of Joe Public (advisory or not) then none of us should be worried about how we voted. It's the government who get paid to lead the country, not us.

Very good post.

re. 'wackawoo':

But you do realise an immigrant not in the UK?
Does anyone have any idea what this fool means with this garbled attempt at a sentence? Yeah, me neither.


Were did I say she wasn't? However, three of those judges disagree. It all depends on how you look at it.
BUT 8 judges ruled in her favour. Lets do some simple mathematics even you may be able to follow. Eight out of 11 Supreme Court Judges gives you an overwhelmingly 72.7% - 27.3% margin (puts a 52 - 48 margin into some context!). She won and has helped set quite a significant legal precedent in British Law regarding the limits of the prerogative powers of the Executive. It absolutely doesn't depend on how you look at it. Winner takes all just like the Leave result of the referendum. Also, the reaffirmation of the supremacy of Parliament is not some sort of excuse or loophole found by some pesky immigrant as you seem to want to term it.

And again, you clearly are struggling to grasp the concept of irony. I may start referring to you as 'Alanis' as Ms Morissette famously had similar difficulties!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nT1TVSTkAXg

P.s - Can any other responders to wackawoo, on this thread, weigh in on the following questions? Should we keep responding to his repetitive nonsensical posts and keep putting him straight? Or are we wasting our time responding to a closed mind and therefore it might be best just to ignore his nonsense?

(04-02-2017 01:04 )wackawoo Wrote:  I am not a political animal, I have never claimed to be

Yet you're easily the biggest contributor to this political thread.

if he was a political animal he would be a bull as he types a load of it

(04-02-2017 15:26 )Matt77 Wrote:  re. 'wackawoo':
But you do realise an immigrant not in the UK?
Does anyone have any idea what this fool means with this garbled attempt at a sentence? Yeah, me neither.

In fairness, if you can make sense of a few spelling & grammar mistakes, and it's never that difficult, then that's a poor excuse for booting the guy in the nuts.
Besides, "yeah, me neither" is hardly much better!

Quote:P.s - Can any other responders to wackawoo, on this thread, weigh in on the following questions? Should we keep responding to his repetitive nonsensical posts and keep putting him straight? Or are we wasting our time responding to a closed mind and therefore it might be best just to ignore his nonsense?

It's quite poor etiquette to metaphorically get a bloke in a headlock and then ask a crowd "shall I bother booting him in the nuts or ignore him?"