Europe, Referendum & Brexit (formerly Europe..IN or OUT??)

She's actually right, if the remainers, however hard they tried and by what ever means employed, couldn't force a second referendum, the Scots shouldn't be able to have one so soon.

Yes and I do get it that britian was in the EU at the time, but the vote wasn't whether the UK was out or in the EU but whether Scotlands wanted to be part of the UK or not. The two issues are actually very different. No Scot would have been thinking about the EU when voting.

And yes I get the argument, that brexit wasn't known at the time, but that's also and excuse for remianers to jump on to.

Brexit should happen for the UK as an whole, leave it for a couple of years after that, then decided whether they want to leave the UK - assuming of course the EU would accept Scotland.

It could be that a lot of Scots would rather stay as the UK (even those that voted to be part of the EU) for a veriaty of reasons, and they'll know much better later.

At least he overwhelming anti brexit, remianer media justeria will be either confirmed or proven wrong by then.

^^ The Yes vote was out in front until the Tory scaremongers said Scotland would be chucked out of the EU if they voted to leave the union. That convinced enough voters to change to the No camp. Scotland voted to stay in the EU.

(17-03-2017 00:59 )wackawoo Wrote:  Yes and I do get it that britian was in the EU at the time, but the vote wasn't whether the UK was out or in the EU but whether Scotlands wanted to be part of the UK or not. The two issues are actually very different. No Scot would have been thinking about the EU when voting.

Wrong. One of the main planks of the No campaign was, the only sure way for Scotland to remain in the EU is to vote No.

It was one of the main reasons I voted No.

(17-03-2017 06:22 )Sm© Wrote:  ^^ The Yes vote was out in front until the Tory scaremongers said Scotland would be chucked out of the EU if they voted to leave the union. That convinced enough voters to change to the No camp. Scotland voted to stay in the EU.

To be fair, it was the Unionist scaremongers, of which the Tories were a part, and don't forget that there was also the bribe, er, sorry, the 'oh fuck, we might loose' last-minute 'Vow'!

The Scottish Government asked the EU on a number of occasions for a definitive statement on Scottish membership of the EU, but they refused, saying that they could only respond to a request made by the Member State i.e. the UK; Surely, if the No campaign actually believed what they were saying about an independent Scotland not being a member of the EU, they wouldn't have hesitated in having the Westminster Government make the necessary request seeking that statement; the fact that they didn't 'spoke volumes', but was, of course, largely (entirely?) ignored by the 'not in any way biased' media.

(17-03-2017 06:24 )The Silent Majority Wrote:  Wrong. One of the main planks of the No campaign was, the only sure way for Scotland to remain in the EU is to vote No.

It was one of the main reasons I voted No.

I'm pretty certain that membership of the EU would not have been to the fore since the UK not being in the EU wasn't even an issue then and Scotland could apply to be part of the EU as an independant country - that's the point of the second referendum.

The first vote was more of a nationalist thing.

With all the gloomongering anti brexit propaganda in the media most people think it's just goign to be a total disaster for the UK and the Scots are wanting to jump ship.

The question for England would be, what impact would that have finantially since by far the majority of wealth in the UK is genralted in the England.

England

GDP (nominal) 2010 estimate - Total $2.68 trillion

Scotland

GDP (nominal) 2012 estimate - Total $235 billion

Granted years are a little off but I'm too lazy to look it up last years.

In short, England GDP absolutely dwarfs Scotlands.

That's why Sturgeon is not going independant, but is going 'independant'. Scotland really needs England or needs the EU.

Sturgeon wants Scotland to be something like Soutern Ireland.

(17-03-2017 14:53 )wackawoo Wrote:  

(17-03-2017 06:24 )The Silent Majority Wrote:  Wrong. One of the main planks of the No campaign was, the only sure way for Scotland to remain in the EU is to vote No.

It was one of the main reasons I voted No.

SNIP

England

GDP (nominal) 2010 estimate - Total $2.68 trillion

Scotland

GDP (nominal) 2012 estimate - Total $235 billion

Granted years are a little off but I'm too lazy to look it up last years.

In short, England GDP absolutely dwarfs Scotlands.

SNIP

STOP THE PRESSES!
Country of 54 million people has larger GDP than country of 5.3 million.

(17-03-2017 14:53 )wackawoo Wrote:  In short, England GDP absolutely dwarfs Scotlands.

Depending on how you measure it of course.

Below image courtesy of the BBC.

(17-03-2017 15:00 )Censorship :-( Wrote:  Country of 54 million people has larger GDP than country of 5.3 million.

Exactly, you need to remind your fellow nationalist of this, they appear to have forgotten.

Scotland may have produce some great inventive minds, but has a independant country on it's own, it really is quite insignificant - England isn't.

If Brexit goes well, then Scotland would indeed be better off staying part of the UK.

The problem with your Sturgeon she is trying to go down in history and inflate her own importance when in reality May is perfectly right in telling Scotland to wait and see.

There is a reason why all these imigrants fleeing for their lives feel more safe in England than in Scotland dispite the Merkle type open doors invertation from your Sturgeon.

(17-03-2017 15:21 )MacDanett Wrote:  Depending on how you measure it of course.

Below image courtesy of the BBC.

Wait what? That compaires the UK which includes England, Scotland, N Ireland and Wales with Scotland only?

Eh?

All that states is the living standards of Scots whilst being in the UK.

(17-03-2017 14:53 )wackawoo Wrote:  I'm pretty certain that membership of the EU would not have been to the fore

So what planet were you living on at the time then?

If you didn't notice that the NO campaign focused on the EU more than anything you must have been away somewhere at the time.

Either that or the above comment is just plain stupidity on your part.