Europe, Referendum & Brexit (formerly Europe..IN or OUT??)

(18-03-2017 07:51 )The Silent Majority Wrote:  Only to your twisted sense of logic.

You need to understand that the argment your people have been getting is, being in the UK is a threat to being in the EU vs being in the UK is a threat to not being in the EU.

If that aint twisted logic, nothing is.

I say vote out, be on the wilderness for a few years

Quote:Turkey first applied to join the EU in 1987, but accession talks did not begin until 2005, "even though Ankara's aspirations to become part of the bloc date back to the 1960s", reports Sky News.

So clocking 30 years, think by that time any damage brexit has caused will be well and truely over.

Lets hope Scotland gets special treatment.

^^ Do us all a favour and Fuck off please

(18-03-2017 14:41 )Sm© Wrote:  ^^ Do us all a favour and Fuck off please

Rude.

(18-03-2017 06:44 )babelover48 Wrote:  Yet you're the one who seems to pluck facts out of nothing that had nothing to do with the whole referendum and vote and Brexit process. I duly suspect that you are a Daily Mail reader!!

If this is to me, my facts are (especially over this) from here and then checked on that dar internet.

One fact that does seem pretty clear though, and I don't think they quite realise it, but the EU membership has already been debated in the first independance referendum both in and out, yet there was only a 5% difference in votes between the two referendums.

The swing to independence might not be as dramatic in 2or 3 years time then Sturgeon thinks.

Nobody knows the variables, for instance, did everybody who voted in the independence referendum vote in the EU referendum?

(18-03-2017 14:28 )wackawoo Wrote:  SNIP

Her argument is based on the assumption that Brexit is goign to be nothing but bad, and that's a silly assumption to base such and historic vote on.

No, her assumption is that Scotland is going to be taken out of the EU, against the majority view of the people of Scotland, as expressed in the EU referendum of 2016, by way of a so-called 'hard-brexit', by a Tory Government that Scotland didn't vote for.

(18-03-2017 14:42 )wackawoo Wrote:  

(18-03-2017 14:41 )Sm© Wrote:  ^^ Do us all a favour and Fuck off please

Rude.

I'd rather be rude than a denier

a person who refuses to accept the existence, truth, or validity of something despite evidence or general support for it

(18-03-2017 14:57 )Censorship :-( Wrote:  No, her assumption is that Scotland is going to be taken out of the EU, against the majority view of the people of Scotland, as expressed in the EU referendum of 2016, by way of a so-called 'hard-brexit', by a Tory Government that Scotland didn't vote for.

Yes I know, but does she (or the Scotish people) think by leaving the UK she's just going to walk right into the EU? moreover the Scots will just vote to leave the UK?

Like I say, it was someting like 44% to 55% with a turnout of 84% of the voting population for the UK devolution referendum.

The vote to remain in the EU was something like 60 % to 40% just a 5% or so difference, BUT, the turnout for the Scotish EU referendum was 67% not 84%

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-sc...s-36599102

So 17% of people who voted in the independence vote had no interest in voting in the EU referendum with specific areas of Scotland with even less interest. There's nothing to assume that those 17% will suddenly start to vote out of the UK because they are leaving the EU.

As I have been saying, the vote for leaving the UK was more along nationalistic grounds maybe with EU influence for some.

The Uk has no option but to go for the hard brexit, the threats from the other EU members have made this inevitable, but now all the threats and law challanges have not worked, reality has kicked in, the UK is leaving the EU and it is in the interest of BOTH sides to make this as painless has possible.

Genuinely serious question wackawoo:

Have you nothing else going on in your life but to post incoherent nonsense on this thread?

It's getting beyond a joke

In fact its bordering on the obsessive!


P.S. Sm© - that post of yours offering some sage advice to wackawoo had me crying with laughter!

(18-03-2017 20:45 )Matt77 Wrote:  Genuinely serious question wackawoo:

Have you nothing else going on in your life but to post incoherent nonsense on this thread?

It's getting beyond a joke

In fact its bordering on the obsessive!


P.S. Sm© - that post of yours offering some sage advice to wackawoo had me crying with laughter!

Aren't you the loon that had nothing better to do than follow me about?

At least my post are actually about the referendums.

(18-03-2017 14:28 )wackawoo Wrote:  From what I have also gleaned from these responces, your Sturgeon has absolutely nothing concrete to offer anybody. There is no automatic joining of the EU by Scotland just becasue it is Scotland. I see no reaosn why they cannot apply to be in the EU but it could be years upon years before they would be allowed to join. It's almost as if she thinks Scotland is going to get some form of special treatment. When in fact in the rush to make an historic name for herself she is taking Scotland both out of the UK AND out of the EU as well for years.

She may well be talking shite, but I'll make up my mind during the course of any campaign. And I certainly won't be taking any advice from somebody like you.
Sturgeon isn't taking Scotland out of the EU, May is.

(18-03-2017 14:28 )wackawoo Wrote:  Her argument is based on the assumption that Brexit is goign to be nothing but bad, and that's a silly assumption to base such and historic vote on.

No sillier than many of the assumptions made by Brexiteers during the last 'historic vote'.

(18-03-2017 14:37 )wackawoo Wrote:  You need to understand that the argment your people have been getting is, being in the UK is a threat to being in the EU vs being in the UK is a threat to not being in the EU.

I don't need any lessons in understanding from you.
Let's try this one last time. Both arguments were valid. The choice for voters who were concerned about EU membership was - which scenario was the most likely. At that time it was that the UK would vote to remain. In case you hadn't noticed, that didn't happen, and the SNP's scenario was proved right (against the odds). So in effect, they called it right and the Unionists called it wrong.

(18-03-2017 14:37 )wackawoo Wrote:  

Quote:Turkey first applied to join the EU in 1987, but accession talks did not begin until 2005, "even though Ankara's aspirations to become part of the bloc date back to the 1960s", reports Sky News.

So clocking 30 years, think by that time any damage brexit has caused will be well and truely over.

Turkey can't get in because it can't currently meet the criteria, most notably on human rights. Scotland is already in at the moment, so it's fairly safe to assume it wouldn't have too much trouble meeting the criteria in future.
It wouldn't happen overnight, but it wouldn't be anything like your scaremongering of '30 years'.