What would get you spending online?

(31-12-2017 13:14 )terence Wrote:  i can't believe they haven't looked into this option, so maybe there is some logistical reason we haven't considered.

it really is as simple as the management not trusting the produces not to fuck up, we all now its happened in the past and you need the right girl, some are just not with it enouth to not forget them selfs and show something they should not on tv,

the other thing is 66 has a lot of girls who are very good on cam and happy to show everything so get a lot of cam viewers each shift the likes if Stacey will never use it as she has her pussy out on cam most the time making the big money,

i think it would be more useful to bs as they have many girls on there day roster who dont show anything and get very small numbers of cam viewers each shift, let these girls show some ass on the 2nd camera and they would make way more from the extra calls than they ever do from there cams at the moment,

it seams to have been forgotten but bs did do the 2nd cam thing first, back at the start of the summer Mia day shows nearly always had a 2nd camera on her ass its just that 66 has done it a lot better since,

yes it could work but you need the right girls who buy into the idea of giving something away for free to get more money back, some are so brainwashed in the anti freeloader mindset these days that could be the hardest bit,

yep free is the thing. putting it behind a paywall will do nothing to bring in more viewers and as a result more calls.
as winsaw points out its also down to the girls and whether there willing. and judging by the way some use there pervcam the answer would be a flat no fucking way.

next, how do you advertise it... they cant advertise the second feed on tv, and there websites aint exactly jam packed with customers.
pervcam had an advantage in that the cam was on screen, and it being there peaked the curiosity enough to get viewers to visit the sites.
sure they all ran away when they seen the price per minute, but they got a few regulars that were willing to eat the charges. but the vast majority said NOPE!.

then theres how it would affect the pervcam revenue itself... if guys can see the girl has her pants on they will be much less inclined to roll the dice on the cam, which is currently the case.
the pervcam may be placed between the girls legs but you have to pay to find out if shes showing...
with a second cam you would in theory be able to tell before, negating the need to take a chance which could affect the pervcams ability to make money...

me im all for a second cam that inst constrained by ofcoms regulation but the reality is, it would need money to be spent on it to advertise it, and it could cost them money if it competes with other services.

lastly theres the recording aspect. theres just no effective way of stopping recording... if the guys cant record the streams they will just screencap and seeing as the girls are already pissed off at there pussy's being shown on the web even though they are earning. i cant see them being happy about it if they were showing for free.

so yeah while i would be more than happy to see it (after all its what i wanted pervcam to be).
i cant see it being done regularly with most girls unless theres a massive uptake in viewership and callers from the few that are currently willing to allow it now.
(when i say massive i mean triple there current numbers at the very least).

^^ Thanks winsaw. You nail my vague generalities with knowledgable specifics as ever. Those are great point about BS. I was unaware of those Mia angles. (But as I mentioned second camera feeds have been tried on and off lots over the years - some Bangbabe day shows are the earliest I can recall. Sometimes, perhaps all it takes for these things to take off is that enough time has passed that guys access to the tech has caught up.)

I by no means envisaged it looking and being used in the same way for every babe. Each babe's could be set differently. But I just can't see why it wouldn't enhance nearly every session in some way and enticing guys to web use better than the current TV feeds do.

Some babes can't see past this as some kind of pervcam lite I feel and are fearful of it killing the golden goose. Fern has shown its potential to be far, far, more than that.

Hopefully the technical risks to compliance are not what they once were too.

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^ Yep, Hex!t I can see your point about the paywall but you have to consider how things are changing. Any access to the sites are about to require that credit card info is divulged (most likely). For your average Joe off the street that means no access to freebie streams at all. The channels have to offer more than pervcam and Ofcom shite to get people behind the AgeID wall. Once card details are entered once we all know to our cost how much easier to start spending. I was trying to envision a better balance between different styles of VFM options. I don't and never expected to see pussy on cam two. Is there never to be any price point at all for anything else on the channels?

On the capping recording aspect, is your average day babe really going to be that bothered about a sliver of gusset on a cap or recording of her on here. Good sexy caps and recordings enhance their standing quite evidently. Pervcam recordings are such a touchy subject for some because they have been lured into doing more than they wanted to do on there.

Some excellent stuff from Shandy, Rake and Terence etc. S. 66 must give it serious consideration - as I think they may well be doing. I do fear there would be technical difficulties - we already have problems most days with Vuecall, with pervecam picture quality and freezing, with paywall failures and most of the system giving up as we approach and pass 10 pm etc. But it is well worth a try - there's nothing better about at present!

As for Rake's wish to get Evelyn on a second cam, this could be a problem. She hates the hustle and bustle of the main studio, and finds the peace and calm of her own little room enables her to concentrate on her callers and pervecam viewers. This is important to her, and I think most of us have noticed that it works better for her. There seems to be, sadly, insufficient space in the little room for another camera. (I liked the idea of a second cam too, and asked her about it a few weeks ago.)

What with possible impending changes to adult verification and how everything will need to be behind a paywall potentially this in my opinion could make or break the shows, as they have to guarantee harder 18+ stuff but with our princesses how will this happen? Personally believe they could offer free "pervcam" in the terms of what other are discussing where there's not necessarily pussy but is more of a potential teaser to the main one and if a babe wants to they can flash. Only real stumbling block to this idea is the princesses who need everything to be private.

http://www.babeshows.co.uk/showthread.ph...pid2119681 i posted my comment here as its a different subject.

Interesting question this.
The short answer is probably “nothing” but I suppose I might if the channels regularly started doing “proper” 2-4-1s with girls I like i.e. not just the “porn stars” who normally do this sort of thing. The recent show with Scarlet and Atlanta seemed promising. I’d Definitely consider paying for something similar with the likes of Lola if she could be persuaded. As others have pointed out the main problem would probably be too many of the “princesses “ having had things too easy for too long and preferring to sit or lie around and take the p**s whilst slagging off what they see as freeloaders.

What would make me spend more online?
The shows as they are now are possibly not fully catering for what is an adult audience (And there is no way what is on TV what I would class as 18+ viewing) I will admit that the night shows no longer part of my viewing time during the week (because of working commitments) and often when I do watch on FV it's often the same babes on that just to put it mildly "going through the motions" and when you get babes doing that you know you're better off asleep!!

I would agree 2 4-1's would make me watch more and like Hexit said "with girls I like" but often I would say it's down to getting the pairing right (XP get the pairings right IMO) for a 2-4-1 to work really well. It's disappointing when the roster the shows probably have, I cannot see why 2-4-1's aren't replicated in daytime. Its possible that some babes maybe find other babes cramp their presenting style as such, and that's probably true. I do recall one show on S66 when 3 girls were together on one set - even if it was only for a few minutes!

With Babefan's post "What with possible impending changes to adult verification and how everything will need to be behind a paywall potentially this in my opinion could make or break the shows, as they have to guarantee harder 18+ stuff but with our princesses how will this happen? Personally believe they could offer free "pervcam" in the terms of what other are discussing where there's not necessarily pussy but is more of a potential teaser to the main one and if a babe wants to they can flash. Only real stumbling block to this idea is the princesses who need everything to be private."[i]
I would agree there are probably many babes who are the "princess" type and would see the private thing as being the right way for them. And really to me that would end up making the shows competing directly with the webcam sites.
But those that show no interest need to be told to their faces that they have to "embrace it, or move on". Simple as that.
But for it too be 18+ harder - are we likely to pay way more than we are now for that content?

The legislation impending as it stands at present and if implemented - has the potential to bring about the demise of the shows way quicker than intended, but also is there also likely to be potential issues with broadband providers having to provide age verification on their systems also? I have deep concerns that the legislation probably would have consequences for them too. Many a time last year I found my Kid safe setting with TalkTalk would trigger for no apparent reason and it took me often an age to get it reset. Thankfully at present that hasn't occurred, but I think once the legislation is implemented then it is possible it would trigger again (and more regularly), I would be in the position of having to provide age verification not only for viewing the web shows of the channels every time but for all the adult material I am used to seeing.

^ A thoughtful everyman post from you as ever babelover, thanks. Yours is exactly the kind of considered spender's voice the channels should be listening to. Your concerns are likely echoed by many users of the shows.

(10-01-2018 06:51 )babelover48 Wrote:  ...when I do watch on FV it's often the same babes on that just to put it mildly "going through the motions" and when you get babes doing that you know you're better off asleep!!

This, more than any other, is the feeling that the channels must combat IMO. It's essential, I feel, if they are to prosper in the more competitive online environment; one that they are, at last, being forced to commit to fully this year. 

So far the operators have dallied with the benefits of the web, now they must confront its competition head on if they are to progress. Disengaged babes have been allowed to disengage customers for too long. The operators hopefully recognise this as a crucial time for a reversal (and there are signs that they do). Too many guys have been prompted to join the loathed freeloader ranks by too many counter productive attitudes from those on the inside. At least some of these guys would be best brought back on side this year.

Opportunity for change needs to be embraced not feared for once.

(10-01-2018 06:51 )babelover48 Wrote:  ...2 4-1's would make me watch more and like Hexit said "with girls I like" but often I would say it's down to getting the pairing right ... I cannot see why 2-4-1's aren't replicated in daytime...

The distinction between days and nights grows ever more blurred online. As you imply, this is how it should be.

The scheduling and burgeoning number of additional web shows is being geared to be more flexible and pervasive by the month. So much so that that the operators now need to be careful to educate us with who's on where and when - or some of this encouraging divergence will end up lost on guys. See, for example, how this week the boxed-out day babes on 66's fta streams have been advertising the website and their "behind the scenes" cam shows directly on mic.

The return of proper 241s is definitely going to be a vital web battleground in 2018. The discovery of good sexual chemistry in these babe interactions will be it's most crucial weapon. 

BS already do daytime studio pairings from behind their paywall. Regular duos from more recognised day babes can't be far away.

(10-01-2018 06:51 )babelover48 Wrote:  ...there are probably many babes who are the "princess" type and would see the private thing as being the right way for them. And really to me that would end up making the shows competing directly with the webcam sites.
But those that show no interest need to be told to their faces that they have to "embrace it, or move on". Simple as that.

Your final paragraph here is exactly what I was thinking when I was making comparisons with the early days of pervcam in post #8. 

The incoming regs have set up distinct possibilities. But from there it's a two stage process to get to what you're talking about: Enough individual babes have to feel that the probability of extra income is a good one otherwise they will not let anything happen. Then only large amounts of actual fresh revenue would incite your 'like it or lump it' scenario - where we get to the point when major change is impossible to halt.

What type of shows would create this momentum is something the operators are transparently casting around for atm. It's also what I asked the OP's question for. (This week saw the welcome return of second cam angles to 66 nights I note. It would seem a more natural fit there than on days.)

Some babes will undoubtedly prefer that recordings of whatever's coming our way be kept off the social sites, but it'll be to their benefit to be as less strict as they feel they can be on this one. (BSX is a paid for service but allows caps to be posted.)

(10-01-2018 06:51 )babelover48 Wrote:  But for it too be 18+ harder - are we likely to pay way more than we are now for that content?

The legislation impending as it stands at present and if implemented - has the potential to bring about the demise of the shows way quicker than intended... 

It's the high stakes at play that makes the potential for dramatic change on the shows all the more distinct. How Joe Public reacts to the sudden baring of freebie Adult websites will be vital. In some ways being lumped in with the major porn outlets on this one makes it easier for the channels. They are not having to fight against legislation specific to them alone this time... AFAIK, guys signing up to continue getting their free dose of porn elsewhere will get, by default, access to the shows' websites as a bonus. Given the alternative, the operators must be hugely glad that this looks to be the way things are going to work. Millions will be made unencumbered potential website customers shortly after 'gateway day' as a result. 

The down side for the operators is that they will have to pay a few pence for every check of AgeID (or similar) - even for guys that may never venture behind their actual paywall. This is why they need bloody good and varied paid material on offer. Some if not all of these costs will wind up incorporated into the fees they'll charge no doubt. But the services should be better as a result of the extra web competition.

(10-01-2018 06:51 )babelover48 Wrote:  ... Many a time last year I found my Kid safe setting with TalkTalk would trigger for no apparent reason and it took me often an age to get it reset. Thankfully at present that hasn't occurred, but I think once the legislation is implemented then it is possible it would trigger again (and more regularly)...

The introduction of these kind of age checks has been quite insidious. Most of us will have experienced the mobile phone version - where some kind of Age Verification is required to access Adult material. (I have had a similar experience with unwarranted resets there btw.) It may appear a trivial matter but these things need to run virtually seamlessly if they are to avoid prompting disgruntled doubting punters. This is just one of a multitude of potential problems with this Age Verification system.

(10-01-2018 06:51 )babelover48 Wrote:  ...when I do watch on FV it's often the same babes on that just to put it mildly "going through the motions" and when you get babes doing that you know you're better off asleep!!

This, more than any other, is the feeling that the channels must combat IMO. It's essential, I feel, if they are to prosper in the more competitive online environment; one that they are, at last, being forced to commit to fully this year. 

So far the operators have dallied with the benefits of the web, now they must confront its competition head on if they are to progress. Disengaged babes have been allowed to disengage customers for too long. The operators hopefully recognise this as a crucial time for a reversal (and there are signs that they do). Too many guys have been prompted to join the loathed freeloader ranks by too many counter productive attitudes from those on the inside. At least some of these guys would be best brought back on side this year.

Opportunity for change needs to be embraced not feared for once.

Exactly.

(10-01-2018 06:51 )babelover48 Wrote:  ...2 4-1's would make me watch more and like Hexit said "with girls I like" but often I would say it's down to getting the pairing right ... I cannot see why 2-4-1's aren't replicated in daytime...

The distinction between days and nights grows ever more blurred online. As you imply, this is how it should be.

The scheduling and burgeoning number of additional web shows is being geared to be more flexible and pervasive by the month. So much so that that the operators now need to be careful to educate us with who's on where and when - or some of this encouraging divergence will end up lost on guys. See, for example, how this week the boxed-out day babes on 66's fta streams have been advertising the website and their "behind the scenes" cam shows directly on mic.

The return of proper 241s is definitely going to be a vital web battleground in 2018. The discovery of good sexual chemistry in these babe interactions will be it's most crucial weapon. 

BS already do daytime studio pairings from behind their paywall. Regular duos from more recognised day babes can't be far away.

I do agree it is crucial that IF they WERE to make daytime 2-4- 1's work perfectly the pairings have to be right.

I do feel S66 need to make the move of rather than being like BS and hide the 2-4-1's behind a paywall they should just go for and with the roster they have the pairings would be endless.



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babelover48 Wrote:  
... Many a time last year I found my Kid safe setting with TalkTalk would trigger for no apparent reason and it took me often an age to get it reset. Thankfully at present that hasn't occurred, but I think once the legislation is implemented then it is possible it would trigger again (and more regularly)...

The Kid Safe kind of triggered itself this morning and I thought "here we go again" but reset itself just as quickly. I would agree, it is a trivial matter but often I'm left thinking it is def one of the things providers need to work on and getting it to run almost seamlessly if they are to avoid prompting disgruntled doubting punters. This is just one of a multitude of potential problems with this Age Verification system.