Europe, Referendum & Brexit (formerly Europe..IN or OUT??)

no mars bars if there is a no deal.....wot a load of bolox...turn out the army...air force...

never heard so much shit spoken...
made in slough ffs.... sugar is in bury st edmunds...cocoa from the commonwealth...is slough in eu then??

Never has so much shit been spouted about so much by so few

(15-11-2018 05:38 )Scots Napoleon Wrote:  We're no less special than Northern Ireland.

Exactly. The deal on the table now gives Northern Ireland an economic advantage over the rest of the UK.

(19-11-2018 19:58 )southsidestu Wrote:  When the funding of George Soros is referred to the Electoral Commission or the National Crime Agency, I will criticise his involvement.

For someone who in the previous paragraph referred to someone as a scumbag and makes a habitat of name calling just about every person in the public eye he doesn't like in his posts you don't half get triggered easily by my insinuations of Brexiteer intelligence , maybe don't dish it out in bucket loads if you can't take it back in thimble loads. Just because you didn't vote for the reasons above does not mean that many others did not, after all these were the main arguments the Leave campaigners were making (one of them was printed out in giant letter on the side of a fucking bus), someone had to vote on these factors, unless you are saying that the Leave campaign had no affect on the voters whatsoever and the result would of been the same without it.

Furthermore you mentioned that people will have voted to become an independent country, I have got news for you, Britain is an independent country in fact we are the country that most other countries celebrate their independence from. We independently opted into the EU with a referendum, we independently opted into what we wanted to do, we independently opted out of two of the EU's most integral policies (Schengen & The Euro), we independently vetoed the revised Lisbon treaty in 2011 (26-1 & because of the veto rules it was the 1 that won it, oh the oppression is too much to bare) and we independently held a referendum on our membership and independently triggered A50 as a result. I have always been amused by the Brexiteers that say that we are being subjected to the unelected dictatorship of Brussels, a dictatorship where you can refrain from 2 of its most integral aspects, have your agenda met when you are the only one who supports that agenda and then chose to leave at anytime through a vote. Don't think they have a good handle on what a dictatorship is and I don't think your argument does as much to separate you form the pack as you think it does

Stu you'll have to try a hell of a lot harder than you do to 'trigger me off' on anything you say as to be honest at times I take the jokes thread more serious than some of your comments on this thread.I have always had the skin of a rhino,the build of a rhino & (unfortunately I look a bit like one) so you're water off a ducks back & too irrelevant for that .But enough about me lets be honest you do tend to keep banging the same drum to the same old tune about the intelligence (or lack of it)of Brexiteers somewhat being mis-guided sheep or you 2nd guessing what Brexit voters reasons voting are.to paraphrase 'you know not of what you speak'. And it is you who have sent far more posts on this topic than me although mine can be the long-winded ones where I may often repeat what I have said previously (probably due to too many scraps in my teens & 20's has scrambled my brain cells & memory a bit).But correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't it you who said they didn't or would never accept/respect the Leave vote (I guess you can call that what you say is a trigger).

Brexit wasn't a vote based on intellect levels though (although we all can't be at the level of your superior knowledge on everything) but it was also a combination of life experiences,wanting whats better for this country amongst other things.Just as voting leave or remain wasn't confined to a right-wing or left-wing vote as many left-leaning people voted to leave as right-leaning voted remain.Just as whether you or right or left wing doesn't determine intelligence levels,wealth or morale compass.

(19-11-2018 18:48 )Goodfella3041 Wrote:  I'm framing this bit!

(19-11-2018 15:24 )Jack the Nipper Wrote:  I completely agree with Goodfella

I won't try to respond to the rest of it because there is too much to take in, but the thought of what a second referendum question might be is an intriguing one.

If it's a three-pronged question, then I agree that they might as well skip the referendum altogether, because Remainers would vote "Remain" and Leavers would have their vote split in two. We could skip the formalities altogether and just Remain, in that case, because it really would be a stitch-up.

The stitch-up would be ignore the referendum & remain,but when the people who constantly argue for a People's Vote/2nd Ref but say it isn't a rerun or repeat of the 2016.The vote in 2016 was a vote to Leave the EU so surely if another referendum took place the binary question on how we leave should be a)Vote on TM's deal or b)Vote to fully the the EU.A vote Remain by the backdoor option isn't leave by definition.

It was a razor thin majority in 2016 though.

I'm not saying you're one of them, but I don't think it is unreasonable to assume that a lot of people voted Leave because they bought the Johnsonian horseshit about how easy it would be to negotiate a stellar deal.

A fair outcome, in my opinion, would be the following:

(a) If Parliament votes for the TM deal, then so be it ... out we go.

(b) If Parliament votes against the TM deal, then that option is off the table and we throw it to a People's Vote with a binary question: EXIT WITH NO DEAL or REMAIN

here's a question. can we 'remain'?

I 'REMAIN' as uncertain about Brexit now as I was at the time of the referendum campaigns of both sides which were about as informative as two turds in a toilet.

And on that note I will take my 'LEAVE'

(20-11-2018 21:37 )Goodfella3041 Wrote:  It was a razor thin majority in 2016 though.

I'm not saying you're one of them, but I don't think it is unreasonable to assume that a lot of people voted Leave because they bought the Johnsonian horseshit about how easy it would be to negotiate a stellar deal.

A fair outcome, in my opinion, would be the following:

(a) If Parliament votes for the TM deal, then so be it ... out we go.

(b) If Parliament votes against the TM deal, then that option is off the table and we throw it to a People's Vote with a binary question: EXIT WITH NO DEAL or REMAIN

I wouldn't really call a 1.3 million vote difference a razor thin majority though in a vote that a little over 33 million voters took part in with over a 70% turn-out on what was the largest political vote ever.What does grind my gears a bit is the assumption Leavers have changed their minds but no Remain voter hasn't changed theirs & then we get the assumption many Leave voters have died off since the vote & the youngsters who can vote know that were too young before would suddenly all vote Remain.My grandad (bless him) was in his late teens when he was called up to fight in WW2 has voted Labour all his life voted Remain in 2016 but died 4 months after the June 2016 result (the same month as my birthday) so when people talk about certain voters dying (Nick Clegg you should be ashamed of yourself) it gets me pissed.And when I hear people say that voters who couldn't be bothered to vote then but will vote or want to vote now I'm sorry but you missed the boat (by 2 years). Regarding negotiations they could been as easy or as complex as they can possibly be if whoever negotiates sets their stall out early set out what they want & are prepared play out a strong negotiating hand that means seriously walking away otherwise.All the signs show Theresa May pretty much begged to get a deal over the line showing no signs of walking away weakening her hand as the Withdrawal Deal shows in parts there are many unanswered questions to be answered.For example we will no longer be part of an European Arrest Warrant mechanism (Europol) but through M15 & other services we provide among most of the security data etc of all EU countries but are expected to pay to enter into Arrest Warrant mechanism (Europol) even though we provide the most data & are one of the most integral countries in it.

And one last thing when I watched Newsnight this evening with ardent Remain supporter & 'Father of the House' Ken Clarke who has consistantly voted against every Brexit Legislation so far & he said he would vote 'for' Theresa May's Brexit Deal & that any vote shouldn't go back to the public as Referendums never work.Should Theresa May tweak her Deal regarding the Backstop & certain other locking in mechanisms because as things stand Spain & France want elements tweaked then me thinks it might just sneak through on the MP's vote.

loads lof horseshit interviews/twitter posts by remoaners pretending to be leavers who were conned by the BJ's of the leave campaign...its a fuckin joke, so obvious its painful, they will stoop to anything.