Europe, Referendum & Brexit (formerly Europe..IN or OUT??)

(27-03-2019 20:32 )GreenMachine Wrote:  I still think that Jacob Rees-Mogg looks like Professor Yaffle the carved wooden bookend(in the shape of a woodpecker) in Bagpuss

In JRM's case, bellend

The ERG seems to be splitting into two groups now.

So the different factions in the Tory party are subdividing into even more factions. It's like watching bacteria reproducing

And the Labour Party are applying the whip to some of the motions. But, as one of the commentators said to Evan Davis tonight, "the Labour whip's not much more than a guideline these days"

What a farce.

Pass the aspirin, Skully

The Conservatives allowed a Free Vote although it seems all Cabinet Members were told to abstain

Well, this worked out well.

JRM and Boris cannot in good conscience approve of the withdrawal agreement. They call it a surrender, an abomination and a failure to respect the 2016 referendum.

Then Teresa May offers to step down if and when the deal passes.

Suddenly, they find it in their conscience to support the deal -- however bad a deal they previously claimed it to be.

Then the DUP says categorically that they will vote against the deal, which means that it probably won't pass anyway.

So -- if nothing else -- this process has flushed out the true colours of Boris and Rees-Mogg. Those craven hypocrites. Those charlatans. They are a fucking disgrace.

^Brexit was never about the people, Brexit was never about Parliamentary Sovereignty, Brexit was never about open borders, Brexit was never about taking back control

Brexit is about The Tory Party

Well we have seen this go from one clusterfuck to another and even if she has offered to resign now there are probably some who now think she should have gone in December.

I can't see her getting it through parliament at the third attempt without the DUP'S Support. the whole HOC on BOTH Sides of the House should be ashamed of itself as to how it has handled this most defining moment in British history. How any of them can look their constituents in the eye and say "I respected the 2016 referendum" when clearly they have shown little sign on either side of that house that result has been respected whether we voted leave or remain.

MPs have not reached a majority on any of the eight indicative votes that were tabled this evening, however this was expected, another debate is scheduled for Monday.

The two strongest amendments were The Clarke Amendment that would see the UK remain a member of The Customs Union Ayes 264 Noes 272 and The Beckett Amendment which calls for a second referendum Ayes 268 Noes 295

If 5 Mps change their mind come Monday, we will be heading towards a Customs Union, If 14 change their mind we will be heading for a second referendum. I am seeing on twitter that the result on the Beckett Amendment was higher than the expectations of some political pundits/journalists and by their reckoning the people's vote campaigners, its gone from a resounding thrashing to being the most popular option

Some Brexiteers in arguing against a second referendum have been sighting the research of Professor John Curtice, the University of Strathclyde Professor and polling expert whose exit poll for The BBC called the 2017 General Election within a few seats, that the country's mood on Brexit has not changed. That was until this last week when his research put remain at 55%

Second Ref, CU or May's Deal on a third vote we don't know, one thing we do know, Brexit is crumbling

^ Don’t forget there were a lot of abstensions so judging what might pass is difficult until we see who abstained.

Guy Fawkes trending on Twitter says it all

(27-03-2019 22:53 )SecretAgent Wrote:  ^ Don’t forget there were a lot of abstensions so judging what might pass is difficult until we see who abstained.

Yes you are right that is why the winning votes were in the 200s and not the 300s but i think the fact remains the same that if we are not heading towards a Second Ref then we will either leave but remain in the customs union or leave under May' deal which was described as Suicide by Boris and rendering Britain a slave state by JRM. These seem like the two most viable options for leavers both of which resemble nothing what they were promised.

Lose lose for both sides