Europe, Referendum & Brexit (formerly Europe..IN or OUT??)

(27-03-2019 22:55 )HannahsPet Wrote:  Guy Fawkes trending on Twitter says it all

Are you actually planning to finish what Guy Fawkes failed to finish?

^not touching this with a bargepole!

(28-03-2019 10:08 )terence Wrote:  ^not touching this with a bargepole!

She's now stuck in office without power

(27-03-2019 22:44 )southsidestu Wrote:  If 5 Mps change their mind come Monday, we will be heading towards a Customs Union, If 14 change their mind we will be heading for a second referendum.

Nobody has to switch from one side to the other. It all boils down to where the abstentions end up going. For example, the SNP didn't vote either for or against the customs union, but have indicated that they possibly could support it in the future. Same with the Liberal Democrats - 9 of their 11 MPs didn't vote on the customs union either.

(28-03-2019 07:29 )babelover48 Wrote:  

(27-03-2019 22:55 )HannahsPet Wrote:  Guy Fawkes trending on Twitter says it all

Are you actually planning to finish what Guy Fawkes failed to finish?

No because i wouldnt want to destroy such a historic and beautiful building if only we could get rid of all the people in it

^Possibly one way tickets to Aussie?

Comes to something when the head of a chain of pound shops talks more sense than all the politicians

(28-03-2019 10:33 )prince henry sinclair Wrote:  

(27-03-2019 22:44 )southsidestu Wrote:  If 5 Mps change their mind come Monday, we will be heading towards a Customs Union, If 14 change their mind we will be heading for a second referendum.

Nobody has to switch from one side to the other. It all boils down to where the abstentions end up going. For example, the SNP didn't vote either for or against the customs union, but have indicated that they possibly could support it in the future. Same with the Liberal Democrats - 9 of their 11 MPs didn't vote on the customs union either.

The whole 2nd Referendum Amendment which effectively puts whatever deal Parliament agrees to (taking No Deal off the ballot paper)against Remaining in the EU & then try fooling voters by calling it a Confirmatory Vote only got the traction it did because Labour imposed a three-line whip on it.At least Tories did the sensible thing by offering free votes on the 8 Amendments to find what the will of the House was where Labour effectively didn't offer that free vote gesture which lead to front bencher Melanie Onn resigning & others ie Ian Lavery,Jon Trickett & Andrew Gwynne abstaining (with calls for their resignations).With Corbyn's CU Amendment garnering more votes than TM's Withdrawal Deal & Ken Clarke's CU Amendment falling short by 8 votes suggests a Withdrawal Deal with CU will be the only viable option for support should May's deal lose for the final time.I looked through the various Amendments that didn't get picked by biased Europhile Speaker Bercow that involved alternative Backstop Arrangements that could have got support in the House (that were backed by cross-party) but Bercow's Rules stated they didn't meet his pro-EU criteria.

Whatever Amendments get put back for re-voting on Monday they should all be under a free vote & not binding MP's hands by imposing the whip so to find what the real consensus is not under influence.But when May does finally fall on her sword disgraced Speaker Bercow (with his bullying allegations) should be fucked off out of it as well.

(28-03-2019 16:16 )Jack the Nipper Wrote:  I looked through the various Amendments that didn't get picked by biased Europhile Speaker Bercow that involved alternative Backstop Arrangements that could have got support in the House

Bercow was spot on correct regarding the alternative Backstop Arrangements. That subject's been done to death already and nothing ever came of it. They were what's known as Unicorn amendments and there was simply no point in allowing amendments which were certain to lead nowhere. At least the amendments Bercow selected were all feasible.

An interesting development concerning the vote specifically on the Withdrawal Agreement alone to be held later today.
As I understand it the withdrawal agreement is the legally binding part of the overall negotiated deal at this stage. The EU have said over and over and over again they are not prepared to renegotiate or reopen the withdrawal agreement.
The political declarations are all very fine but are more aspirational than binding.
Without a withdrawal from the EU what becomes of Brexit if anything at all?
All manner of types of Brexit can be discussed and debated endlessly but without the withdrawal agreement approvaI I struggle to see a meaningful way forward.