Europe, Referendum & Brexit (formerly Europe..IN or OUT??)

Theres no way in fucking Hell Boris will get anywhere near

The tory mp's hate his guts and will never be in a top 2 to go to the main memeber ship

it will be between gove and either Sajid Javid or Jeremy Hunt

(05-04-2019 10:56 )Scots Napoleon Wrote:  That would depend on what the terms of a soft brexit were exactly.

If we went into a customs union and made a binding commitment to it, for example, then Boris or anyone else would not be able to ditch that arrangement in favour of a hard brexit without having the EU's agreement.

Among the various news items on Brexit today I noticed a spokesman at No.10 being quoted as saying that in the event of the government agreeing to a customs union with the EU they would seek to have a clause in the agreement giving the UK the right to exit the arrangement unilaterally.

(05-04-2019 18:07 )4waydiablo Wrote:  Among the various news items on Brexit today I noticed a spokesman at No.10 being quoted as saying that in the event of the government agreeing to a customs union with the EU they would seek to have a clause in the agreement giving the UK the right to exit the arrangement unilaterally.

I don't see the EU ever agreeing to a clause like that. A customs union would have to be legally binding, at least for a set period, otherwise nobody would really know where they stood.

It's just more 'pie in the sky thinking' from No10.

Interesting results in the Newport West by election. Pro remain Labour candidate Ruth Jones produced a Labour hold for the seat that voted 56% Leave in the referendum. Turn out was only 37.1% compared to 67.5% in the 2017 general election with parties blaming poor weather which featured heavy rain and hail. As you can see despite Labour's retention it did lose a significant amount of it's overall share and majority.

UKIP came in third and received the largest gains however their overall vote share was less than that of the staunchly pro Brexit parties (PC, LD & GRN)

Obviously this is a by-election with an unusually low turnout so it may be somewhat premature to go drawing conclusions on a national scale, however it certainly seems that the duopoly enjoyed by The Tories and Labour in the 2017 GE is going into reverse as both are losing votes to the staunchly leave and remain parties respectively.

What does this mean as far as the predicted Brexodus of remain MPs in leave seats? Well as you can see UKIP were never in with a shout, there will be other seats where they will be better placed to cause an upset but The Tories did field a candidate who voted leave in the referendum and still finished some way behind the Labour candidate. If this is the beginning of a revolution it's a stop start.

Would you like to claim your free Barnier, Juncker or Tusk soft toy(commonly known as the three musketeers)? Just send £39bn to the EU, promise not to be silly again and you too can be the proud owner of one of the toys OR cancel Brexit completely, fall into line again and collect the set.

(05-04-2019 20:41 )southsidestu Wrote:  Interesting results in the Newport West by election. Pro remain Labour candidate Ruth Jones produced a Labour hold for the seat that voted 56% Leave in the referendum. Turn out was only 37.1% compared to 67.5% in the 2017 general election with parties blaming poor weather which featured heavy rain and hail. As you can see despite Labour's retention it did lose a significant amount of it's overall share and majority.

UKIP came in third and received the largest gains however their overall vote share was less than that of the staunchly pro Brexit parties (PC, LD & GRN)

Obviously this is a by-election with an unusually low turnout so it may be somewhat premature to go drawing conclusions on a national scale, however it certainly seems that the duopoly enjoyed by The Tories and Labour in the 2017 GE is going into reverse as both are losing votes to the staunchly leave and remain parties respectively.

What does this mean as far as the predicted Brexodus of remain MPs in leave seats? Well as you can see UKIP were never in with a shout, there will be other seats where they will be better placed to cause an upset but The Tories did field a candidate who voted leave in the referendum and still finished some way behind the Labour candidate. If this is the beginning of a revolution it's a stop start.

UKIP used Neil Hamilton who then was spouting anti semtic bullshit about George soros

Rees - Mogg''s main challenger for Odius Cuntus award I reckon

Nigel Farage has been spouting bullshit about George Soros for years it never did them any harm before. In fact he once sent a letter to all MEPs demanding that they reveal to him whether or not they had any links with him.

fucking funny if soros wanted to make fucking money he would support brexit and short the pound like he did when we left the ERM

Yvette Coopers Amendment passed into law after being raced through Parliament.
The cross-party European Union (Withdrawal) (No 5) Bill received royal assent after it was backed by MPs and peers on Monday night.
It places a legal requirement on the Prime Minister to seek an extension to Article 50 in a bid to prevent a no-deal exit from the EU.

The Commons backed a series of Lords amendments to the bill after it was rushed through both Houses of Parliament.
Brought forward by Ms Cooper and others, it calls on Mrs May to lay a Commons motion on the extension of Article 50 which could then be amended by MPs.
The Bill was amended by peers to state that nothing in it prevented the Prime Minister from "seeking or agreeing" an extension, provided it was not earlier than May 22. The Commons move came as Brexit talks between the Government and Labour resumed on Monday. But there appeared little prospect of a compromise agreement being in place in time for Wednesday's EU meeting, and no chance of it being approved by MPs before the EU27 meet.