Europe, Referendum & Brexit (formerly Europe..IN or OUT??)

(06-05-2019 09:52 )babelover48 Wrote:  The bloodbath that will ensue will probably spell the end of the Conservatives as a Party political force for good.

If the country fucks the Tories over at the next election, it would just be Karma...

BBC Pulled have i got news for you at short notice because had heidi allen on it because of the Euro Elections but had Farage spouting his racist bullshit on Question time last night WTF !!!

A political debate show and a Comedy News Quiz fall under very different rules during an Election Campaign.

Labour lead on Brexit Sir Keir Starmer has said that any agreement between Labour and the Tories on Brexit shoild be put back to the public vote.

Brexit Party out in front in latest poll yet no-one knows their policies yet apart from leaving the EU and poor old Nige got a heavy grilling from Andrew Marr on Sunday-oh the affrontery of it!!

As much as I dislike Farage that interview by Andrew Marr was a poor attempt at a hatchet job by a staunch remainer in Marr & the BBC who should know better.If Marr had pressed Farage on policies aside from Brexit then Farage would have come unstuck but instead the BBC & Marr delved into the archive of past quotes to throw at Farage that beared little or no relevance.I wonder if the next time Marr interviews Corbyn he'll press him on his previous support for IRA sympathizers, May on her time as Home Secretary & her involvement during the Windrush scandal or for Vince Cable for being the man responsible for underselling Royal Mail at a huge loss when he was in the coalition government.

I'll be lending my vote to the Brexit party in the EU Elections next week not because I'm Farage supporter but politely to remind the Tories (& Labour) to get their act together get a Brexit deal done & move on.

(13-05-2019 06:48 )Charlemagne Wrote:  Labour lead on Brexit Sir Keir Starmer has said that any agreement between Labour and the Tories on Brexit shoild be put back to the public vote.

Despite Labour having more positions than the Kamasutra on Brexit depending on what MP is interviewed whether it's Barry Gardiner & his "we must respect the result of the referendum" mantra.To Jess Phillips,Tom Watson (half the man he used to be),Liz Kendall & Kier Starmer who advocate a 2nd Referendum whatever the outcome where 'Hard Brexit' is off the ballot in favour of some botched,cooked-up deal rejected in the Commons so the choice come 2nd Referendum will be to vote 'Remain' or 'Remain'.

The great mystery for Labour post 2016 Brexit result was how the hell can you put a staunch anti-Brexit supporting MP in Kier Starmer & make him Shadow Brexit Secretary & seriously expect him to negotiate a deal being someone who doesn't want to leave the EU.Turkey voting for Xmas comes to mind.

We should refuse to vote Labour and the Cons, just vote for Farage!! then the EU will just say "fuck off, we don't have time to deal with idiots"
Simples

Well if Mrs May is still against a 2nd referendum, she stands no chance of getting her deal through Parliament. Just hope the DUP will abandon supporting her and the Cabinet walk away from her and force her to resign.

The Brexit Party is a fools errand, they represent nothing but bullshit and hot air. Not a single policy on how they would achieve their vacuous objective. The aim as I see it, is to shock the establishment into delivering Brexit by inflicting defeat on them at the Euro elections. Tell them that the people are not happy with the status quo and that they want out of Europe. I feel like we have had an election on this already. Wasn't there a referendum about 3 yrs ago or something? I fail to see how any result for The Brexit Party in the EU Parliament elections will be anywhere near the level of the 17.3 m that Leave achieved in 2016 and that result is what has brought us to this point.

Are The Establishment supposed to be frightened by losing seats in a Parliament that we are supposed to leave in 5 and a half months? Some might say that the result in the EU elections will frighten them because the same could happen at a General Election. Except we have seen this movie before UKIP won a majority in the last election and achieved a landslide of 2 MPs at the 2015 GE. Why? Because the undemocratic EU Parliament has proportional representation where as Westminster has good old first past the post. The Establishment has stacked the deck, the house always wins and in that rare occasions when it does not, it is not brought down by somebody playing The Joker.

Some people out there might be holding their noses and voting for The Brexit Party as a protest vote. It was the fear of a protest vote (by a feckless pig fucker) that got us into this mess in the first place and a protest vote will not get us out of it, especially when the protestors do not actually say what they are protesting for. I go back to the fact that The Brexit Party has no policies and that as I have said time and again whether we leave the EU is not the important question, how we leave the EU is. So how are they going to deliver that how?


Do they support No Deal and how would they get it through Parliament?
Do they support May's WA and how will they get it through Parliament?
Do they support The Malthouse Compromise and how will they get it through Parliament?
Do they support The Malthouse B Compromise and how will they get it through Parliament?
Do they support the temporary Customs Union that seems to be the focus of the cross party talks and how will they get it through Parliament?

And when they have got a resolution on any of these options that are not the WA, how do they plan to get it approved by The EU27 when they have explicitly said time and again they are not open to renegotiations?

The German philosopher Georg Hegel once said “We learn from history that we do not learn from history”, since two names is apparently all the rage with new parties at the moment I would like to propose that a second name for The Brexit Party be The Emperor's New Clothes Party and that Hegel's words be it's motto.