Europe, Referendum & Brexit (formerly Europe..IN or OUT??)

Fucking hell PMQ's was a disaster he is making Corbyn look almost PM material

Prime Ministers Questions. How bad is it when Corbyn sounds like the sane one...

(04-09-2019 12:09 )HannahsPet Wrote:  Fucking hell PMQ's was a disaster he is making Corbyn look almost PM material

Ha, not just me then

And me. I thought it was probably Corbyn's best day at PMQ's.

Still no answer on what Johnson has proposed to the EU (he hasn't proposed anything!) and his comments that you don't negotiate in public would be valid if he hadn't repeatedly said that the only thing he wants changing from May's deal is the removal of the Backstop. The EU have asked him as they did May to articulate an alternative. There is none that works today so yet again the reality is that he is working towards a No Deal Brexit.

The EU are also concerned that even if they varied the Backstop in some way that the deal would not get through the House. As the ERG members are said to want more changes then Johnson is trapped and the only thing that will please them is a No Deal Brexit. His job therefore is to seek to blame everyone else and see us fall out of the EU with No Deal on 31st October.

The CONservatives thought they were putting a gun fighter in to push no deal through, when in fact they voted in a fucking idiot

Boris squirmed noticeably when confronted by that very irate member in the turban and although not encouraged by members normally, rightly got a round of applause. Also the Chancellor was pulled up twice by the Speaker, something I've not seen before, for straying off his statement and sounding more like a Party Political than a Government Spending review. I'd like to know where he is getting all this money from, because you can bet something or someone is going to be clobbered for it.

Considering their history, and the fact this bunch are the more extreme flavour of Tory (like dogshit on a biscuit), they'll likely go after the sick and disabled again to fund any plans. We know for a fact that anytime they say ''austerity is over'', it's down to them manipulating the numbers, not actually reversing the damage and ending austerity, it's just more lies from the Tories. It's like them saying they lifted x amount of children out of poverty, they didn't, what they did do is changed the definition of what poverty means. Any country that has need for food banks, is not doing enough, if anything to tackle poverty.

Who was a naughty PM in the house then?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po...91406.html

great quote from Alison McGovern, the Labour MP. She tweeted a review of the prime minister’s performance. She said: “This isn’t #pmqs. It is a dodgy stand up comedian dying on his arse.”

(04-09-2019 14:27 )skully Wrote:  Considering their history, and the fact this bunch are the more extreme flavour of Tory (like dogshit on a biscuit), they'll likely go after the sick and disabled again to fund any plans. We know for a fact that anytime they say ''austerity is over'', it's down to them manipulating the numbers, not actually reversing the damage and ending austerity, it's just more lies from the Tories. It's like them saying they lifted x amount of children out of poverty, they didn't, what they did do is changed the definition of what poverty means. Any country that has need for food banks, is not doing enough, if anything to tackle poverty.

The Conservatives never said there was an end to austerity even if they have claimed it is, but the real proof is on Britain's High streets and you could probably bet your last pound Labour won't either.

Another Tory defects-Caroline Spelman has left the party. I listened to Hilary Benn's proposal for the vote earlier which again was 329-300 on the first vote which is to back a bill to block a no-deal Brexit, which could trigger a General Election(which I suggested earlier in this thread) It is expected to pass on it's second vote tonight BUT if it goes to the Lords they could 'filibuster' it to oblivion(Jacob Rees-Mogg is a well known filibuster in the Commons) I still think we are in for a General Election and I think turn out could be low; voter apathy has already kicked in.

(04-09-2019 17:28 )GMach1 Wrote:  I still think we are in for a General Election and I think turn out could be low; voter apathy has already kicked in.

I disagree, I think it could be a good turnout, I believe about 100,000 people have registered to vote just in the last couple of days. The turnout for the European elections was relatively high at 37% (the 2nd highest for the UK in their history I believe) so people are definitely engaged