Europe, Referendum & Brexit (formerly Europe..IN or OUT??)

According to a government source if the Commons rejects the three day timetable to debate and scrutinize the Withdrawal Agreement Bill then the bill will be abandoned with the intention to push for a General Election.

(21-10-2019 22:26 )southsidestu Wrote:  Aye I don't think so. There is definitely plenty of blame to be put at the feet of those who put the ballot papers in your hand but you're not getting off the hook that easily.

What hook? I don't remember being on a hook let alone trying to escape one? Is this simply you arrogantly assuming you are correct and therefore I must be searching for some kind of escape?

(21-10-2019 22:26 )southsidestu Wrote:  Brexiteers seem to want to live in a world where they are in complete abdication of any responsibility of their actions. Well have I got news for you, your actions have consequences and you should face up to them. Yes there was a lot of spin and bullshit from the leave side but this is the information age, where every fact is available to us in mere seconds at our fingertips and if 15 million people could see through it, so could the other 17 million.

If you think my vote was based on any bullshit the Leave campaign concocted, then you are of course wrong.
The fact that you've even mentioned this does make it look like you yourself have bought into the Remain propaganda? Making the assumption all Leave voters are knuckle-dragging morons that didn't /don't know what they voted for. You illustrate this point further by pointing out that you along with (15?) million other people "could see through it"

A tad patronising.

(21-10-2019 22:26 )southsidestu Wrote:  (what is English national identity anyway? Dancing round the maypole in some stupid costume and drinking tea & sugar that you stole from the colonies whilst you raped their woman?)

Quite a revealing statement about your xenophobic personality don't you think? An interesting point since it has always been the Brexiteers that have been labelled as such.

(21-10-2019 22:26 )southsidestu Wrote:  Three-and-a-half years, two extensions going on three, seven defections, 21 deselections, three prime ministers, countless amendments, two prorogations, one Supreme Court judgement and we are sill at square one. And it all started when you put an X in a box

Quite a remarkable conclusion, especially since it's the Remain MPs that are stalling the whole process.


So, like I said earlier, all this silly point scoring debate really isn't needed. I'm happy to agree that we all have different opinions about this and I'm also happy to respect other people's thoughts and feelings.
I'm more than happy to discuss Brexit in a civilised manner. But if people start lashing out and pointing the finger, we will enter into a whole different type of debate as proven.

If anything if they don't get it done tonight then they should resign their position en masse and a GE held with people from ordinary backgrounds as candidate as I think they could a far better job than the present incumbents

Christ Torys using Comic Sans font

MPs have approved the Withdrawal Agreement Bill at second reading by 329 votes to 299

Not done and dusted yet

(22-10-2019 15:42 )Bandwagon Wrote:  Quite a remarkable conclusion, especially since it's the Remain MPs that are stalling the whole process.

The ERG voted against Theresa May's deal three times

(22-10-2019 18:30 )babelover48 Wrote:  MPs have approved the Withdrawal Agreement Bill at second reading by 329 votes to 299

Not done and dusted yet

They voted in favour of a second reading of the Withdrawal Agreement Bill (to debate, scrutinise, try to add amendments I would assume). I don't think that's the same as approving the Bill

The timetable motion has been defeated 322-308.
The PM has now paused the Withdrawal Agreement Bill rather than abandon it as previously indicated by a government source.
Discussion is now ongoing behind the scenes between the whips on both sides as to how to proceed.

(22-10-2019 19:12 )southsidestu Wrote:  

(22-10-2019 15:42 )Bandwagon Wrote:  Quite a remarkable conclusion, especially since it's the Remain MPs that are stalling the whole process.

The ERG voted against Theresa May's deal three times

The Conservatives (+DUP) had a majority and couldn't even get a slightly less bad deal over the line so to lay the stalling and delay at remain MPs is and bit disingenuous

So the government lost the Programme Motion which lays out the timetable for Parliament to consider the Bill. They lost as had been expected because Parliament wants more time to review the Bill including considering amendments. As a result the Government have suspended discussion of the Bill in what seems like a temper tantrum.

The next 2 days discussing the Bill are now lost and there remains a danger that if the EU refuse an extension we crash out with no deal. Bear in mind the Government has had Conservative MP’s trying to persuade Poland & Hungary to vote against an extension.