General Election 2019

(08-12-2019 19:30 )babelover48 Wrote:  ^That's true but look what the last Tory/Lib Dem Coalition threw up

Thats only because Lib Dems were blamed for most of the tory stuff and look where that has got us now

(08-12-2019 19:27 )HannahsPet Wrote:  Say what you like about FPTP least with it we havent had a Tory UKIP coaliation destroying the country thats what we would have had by now

can't see how that would be any worse than a tory majority since ukip are just slightly more racist tories

Are UKIP still a thing? Watching the debate on Channel 4, glad it's about other issues instead of Brexit.

Don't you get the sneaking feeling that this election sometimes feels more like a referendum vote on a referendum result than an election vote?

All the time, it's all about Brexit really when it shouldn't be.

Just looked online and UKIP are still around...just...last and current leader - Richard Braine and Pat Mountain....must be a joke surely?

Yes the problem with PR is that it gives greater power to fringe parties, who tend to have more radical policies that play to the gallery and don't have any basis in reality. However that is pretty much where we are with a lot of the main parties right now anyway. Brexit was a fringe policy for the Tories and Socialism was for Labour and now both are at the front line of those parties.

Neither one of them is realistically deliverable anytime soon. The Withdrawal Agreement is only the first hurdle in a long line, we still have years of negotiations ahead of us which will log jam everything. Over the past three years we haven't really been able to pass meaningful legislation because Parliament and the Civil Service has been consumed by the WA but once we have left we just will move on to the next step. It took Canada 10 yrs & Mercosur 20 yrs to negotiate their trade deals with The EU and that's only one bloc. I imagine that the government won't want to wait a decade or two until it starts negotiating with everyone else. The Civil Service was at breaking point trying to get The WA done, how is it supposed to cope with that plus the same again multiplied numerous times for The US, Japan, China, India, Canada, Mercosur, South Korea, South Africa and every other country/bloc that it wants to trade with?

How many Billions did it cost us to negotiate The WA over a period of about 2 yrs and how much legislation has failed to even been brought to vote because Parliament was consumed by it? How many more billions will it cost us and how much legislation will not even be brought to vote over the course of decades because we are too busy trying to negotiate what we already have?

This is why Jacob Rees Mogg has previously said the country might not feel the benefits of Brexit for another 50 yrs, because its going to take us that long until the whole thing is over and done with.

This is why for me both major parties are full of shit. Yes Labour have said that they will back a second referendum but that Corbyn will not back remain and be neutral but if we had the second referendum and Leave won and we came out on Labour's deal we will still be in the same position. If he then goes to the Civil Service and says here is my manifesto for real change he will get laughed out of Whitehall and told to come back in 2050. Finally there is the issue around free movement. The Tories want to end, Labour say it will be up for negotiation but both parties are pledging to spend big on infrastructure, Labour considerably more so. My question is who is going to build it? The construction industry relies heavily on EU workers do either Johnson or Corbyn really believe that EU citizens will come over here on short term permits with no security post job completion than Germany or France? That will be shining bright.

The reality is this, if we Brexit, then both parties manifestos are not worth the paper they are written on

(08-12-2019 21:25 )Cooper_temple Wrote:  Just looked online and UKIP are still around...just...last and current leader - Richard Braine and Pat Mountain....must be a joke surely?

Basically Brexit party took over where UKIP exploded

(09-12-2019 10:10 )HannahsPet Wrote:  

(08-12-2019 21:25 )Cooper_temple Wrote:  Just looked online and UKIP are still around...just...last and current leader - Richard Braine and Pat Mountain....must be a joke surely?

Basically Brexit party took over where UKIP exploded

That's the problem with a single issue party like UKIP, they won the referendum and got what they wanted and as a result became completely irrelevant. The Brexit Party will likely go the same way although they have offered up some policies, but I feel they are just tokenistic

I had seen suggestion that Boris was 'looking at the TV licence' I think he'd be facing a far bigger fight to scrap that as well as trying to push his Brexit deal through Parliament.