Celtic and Rangers in premier league?

brummie · 09-10-2009 19:32

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football...299777.stm

It seems the idea of Celtic and Rangers playing in the ENGLISH Premier League just won't go away and I just wondered what the views were of football fans on the boards.

While I can see the benefits to the old firm I don't really see why Scottish teams should be playing in England. Is the next step then to invite PSG over from France or perhaps Ajax.Ultimately this can only hasten the day of a European Superleague, with the top teams taking an even bigger slice of the tv cash cake and cutting adrift the rest.

Granted the SPL has become a two horse race and interest for the other clubs is waning, but that is a Scottish problem and needs to be sorted out by the SFA. It is nothing to do with the English FA and is not the business of the Premier League to be providing solutions to Scottish problems.

And what of the rump of the Scottish league left behind to die a slow death without its star attractions? TV companies are already reluctant to take up coverage and only offer small contracts compared to the English Premier and without Celtic and Rangers interest will be virtually non existant.

schmoo · 09-10-2009 19:43

Totally agree with you.

Furthermore, ths is the way ALL the European leagues are/have been going anyway. Which ever of these leagues you look at, there are always the same old top few teams vying to win them.. it's not just in Scotland, although that league is more prominant to us in this argument of course.

craigiex3 · 09-10-2009 19:47

you cant say that psg or any other continental team in the epa would be the same as rangers or celtic joining. there taxes go to the same place as man u and arsenal. also cardif have a realy good chance of the prem next season and its not a impossability that swansea could be there within the decade. im all for it, theres no bad points to it from an english point of veiw. you two multi millon pound clubs with two 500000 plus stadia and two sets of fans that are 100% rangers or celtic in the same way as the magpies. only thing is the state of scottish football. my opinion it would make it better. more competitave in the spl. but the champions league would never have a scottish team. thats bad. all in all its a good thing. even though 8 out of 10 seasons they wont have a top 10 place in the epl.

desperateroger · 09-10-2009 19:57

Cetic and Rangers should apply to join the Northern Premier Unibond League. if they got accepted it would only take 7 promotions to get into the Premier League.

DiduHearThat · 09-10-2009 20:03

there teams aren't good enough to challenge for any silverware in england they would be a mid table at best and all there fans wouldn't be happy going from winning the league and cups to winning nothing at all year in year out

**admin.** · 09-10-2009 20:18

(09-10-2009 20:03 )DiduHearThat Wrote: there teams aren't good enough to challenge for any silverware in england they would be a mid table at best and all there fans wouldn't be happy going from winning the league and cups to winning nothing at all year in year out

Surely you're missing the point? If Celtic and Rangers had the same TV income as the top clubs in England they would expect to have as good a team as the top clubs in England. They would be ahead of say Liverpool for example in terms of attendances and equal to them in TV income, so why wouldn't they expect to be equal to or above of Liverpool in the league? If Liverpool are a contender for the Premier League and the Champions League, why wouldn't Celtic and Rangers be?

dannyboy744 · 09-10-2009 20:39

(09-10-2009 20:18 )admin Wrote:
(09-10-2009 20:03 )DiduHearThat Wrote: there teams aren't good enough to challenge for any silverware in england they would be a mid table at best and all there fans wouldn't be happy going from winning the league and cups to winning nothing at all year in year out

Surely you're missing the point? If Celtic and Rangers had the same TV income as the top clubs in England they would expect to have as good a team as the top clubs in England. They would be ahead of say Liverpool for example in terms of attendances and equal to them in TV income, so why wouldn't they expect to be equal to or above of Liverpool in the league? If Liverpool are a contender for the Premier League and the Champions League, why wouldn't Celtic and Rangers be?

Sunderland and Newcastle bring in bigger crowds than Chelsea and Liverpool, it quite clearly has no impact on league positions or quality, Celtic and Rangers would be relegation fodder in the Premiership for me.

brummie · 09-10-2009 20:43

(09-10-2009 20:18 )admin Wrote:
(09-10-2009 20:03 )DiduHearThat Wrote: there teams aren't good enough to challenge for any silverware in england they would be a mid table at best and all there fans wouldn't be happy going from winning the league and cups to winning nothing at all year in year out

Surely you're missing the point? If Celtic and Rangers had the same TV income as the top clubs in England they would expect to have as good a team as the top clubs in England. They would be ahead of say Liverpool for example in terms of attendances and equal to them in TV income, so why wouldn't they expect to be equal to or above of Liverpool in the league? If Liverpool are a contender for the Premier League and the Champions League, why wouldn't Celtic and Rangers be?

Even if they could equal the tv income and revenues of Liverpool or Arsenal they would be starting from a position several years behind in terms of team development and would not have the resources of an Abramovitch type figure let alone the Arab billionaires of Man C.

Also presumably two english clubs who have worked hard at getting into the Prem would be bombed out to make way for them.I have no doubt it would be a great move for Celtic and Rangers but why should the Premier League bend over backwards to help two teams from another league with nothing to do with them. If the old firm leave and in 10 years time Hibs and Hearts say are winning everything in Scotland do you then find space for them in England?

After decades of hearing about the independant nature of Scotland, I believe the SFA put a block on a British team for the Olympics, it would seem the lure of cash is even stronger.The only advantage to the clubs would seem to be financial.

mikedafc · 09-10-2009 20:53

Only way Rangers and Celtic will move away from Scotland is if there is a European SuperLeague set up.

**admin.** · 09-10-2009 21:57

(09-10-2009 20:39 )dannyboy744 Wrote: Sunderland and Newcastle bring in bigger crowds than Chelsea and Liverpool,

That's not entirely correct:

1 Manchester United 75,304
2 Arsenal 60,039
3 Newcastle United 48,749
4 Liverpool 43,611
5 Manchester City 42,900
6 Chelsea 41,588
7 Sunderland 40,168

Last season's figures put Liverpool and Chelsea AHEAD of Sunderland.

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