Coronavirus - is enough being done to contain it?

(04-04-2020 14:40 )HannahsPet Wrote:  basically some shit on Twitter that 5g causes the coronavirus and because of that some twats have been destroying masts

surprised there is plenty of tin foil in the shops the amount of these lot that must be wearing it to protect from the radio waves

And probably the shit stirrers about 5G & corona is why Twitter is not working I think haven't been a ble to get back on for about half an hour now

I've noticed a significant uptick of people simply believing the most absurd theories floated about just about anything these days.

I wonder if they are just easily tricked, can't do basic research or will believe the most outlandish claims without solid proof.

I mean, shouldn't the more extraordinary the claim/headline, require more solid ironclad proof?

Most of the time the claims just use larger words not used in a normal vocabulary, like the act of using big scientific words is the required proof a person needs. I feel concerned about a world where ignorance is normal. I mean, I changed my profile photo years ago... and it reflects our society more now than when I changed it.

Part of is that people are bored. The devil finds work for idle hands to do.
Even Al Bean, Lunar Modiule Pilot of Apollo 14 admitted he liked moon conspiracies because he enjoyed thinking the counter argument.

See Rees Moog has got himself into a another Row with profiteering from this lockdown. 8 London bus workers have died from the virus haven't seen figures for London Tube workers

(04-04-2020 16:19 )Rake Wrote:  Achieving Herd immunity is what is happening all over the world, including Britain

This is undoubtedly not true, because infection rates in all countries are currently nowhere near enough for herd immumnity to be achieved. Nor are projections of deaths. In this country the government are talking about tens of thousands of deaths at the very worst, but estimates of the numbers of deaths needed in the UK for herd immunity to be achieved vary from around a quarter of a million to over a million.

Herd immunity requires between 60% and 80% of the population to become infected, depending on which expert is giving the estimate, but China is rapidly controlling the spread of COVID-19 without requiring anything even close to herd immunity - in fact a mere 0.0057% of its population has been infected so far. Spain now has the most cases in Europe, but still only 0.28% of its population has been infected.

In short, herd immunity is not happening all over the world. It's not even close to happening in any country and it's unlikely to be allowed to happen because the death toll would be so high and because China has shown that the disease can be beaten without it. To achieve herd immunity in China would have required between 5m and 20m deaths, but China is beating the disease and with only 3,329 deaths so far.

You are mistaking tested confirmed cases with actual community cases. No one knows the latter until they do proper stratified random sampling testing of the population. It’s looking as if upto 4/5 of cases are entirely asymptomatic according to the latest Chinese research:

https://www.bmj.com/content/369/bmj.m1375

Every country has vast numbers of untested cases who have been infected and recovered. London and the south east is full of people who have had it but never been tested. It is rampant through my workplace but no one’s been tested unless hospitalised. Therefore the real infection rate is vastly higher than the official figures. The mortality rates are therefore far better than simply tested case rates vs fatality rates.

(05-04-2020 10:18 )schvall Wrote:  

(04-04-2020 16:19 )Rake Wrote:  Achieving Herd immunity is what is happening all over the world, including Britain

This is undoubtedly not true, because infection rates in all countries are currently nowhere near enough for herd immumnity to be achieved. Nor are projections of deaths. In this country the government are talking about tens of thousands of deaths at the very worst, but estimates of the numbers of deaths needed in the UK for herd immunity to be achieved vary from around a quarter of a million to over a million.

Herd immunity requires between 60% and 80% of the population to become infected, depending on which expert is giving the estimate, but China is rapidly controlling the spread of COVID-19 without requiring anything even close to herd immunity - in fact a mere 0.0057% of its population has been infected so far. Spain now has the most cases in Europe, but still only 0.28% of its population has been infected.

In short, herd immunity is not happening all over the world. It's not even close to happening in any country and it's unlikely to be allowed to happen because the death toll would be so high and because China has shown that the disease can be beaten without it. To achieve herd immunity in China would have required between 5m and 20m deaths, but China is beating the disease and with only 3,329 deaths so far.

(05-04-2020 10:40 )Rake Wrote:  It’s looking as if upto 4/5 of cases are entirely asymptomatic according to the latest Chinese research:

If that turns out to be true, it would still mean an infection rate in China of only 0.0285%. Nowhere near the 60% to 80% required for herd immunity.

(05-04-2020 11:04 )4waydiablo Wrote:  

(05-04-2020 10:40 )Rake Wrote:  It’s looking as if upto 4/5 of cases are entirely asymptomatic according to the latest Chinese research:

If that turns out to be true, it would still mean an infection rate in China of only 0.0285%. Nowhere near the 60% to 80% required for herd immunity.

Read the paper I linked to. Here's the key quote:

Tom Jefferson, an epidemiologist and honorary research fellow at the Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine at the University of Oxford, said the findings were “very, very important.” He told The BMJ, “The sample is small, and more data will become available. Also, it’s not clear exactly how these cases were identified. But let’s just say they are generalisable. And even if they are 10% out, then this suggests the virus is everywhere. If—and I stress, if—the results are representative, then we have to ask, ‘What the hell are we locking down for?’”

Jefferson said that it was quite likely that the virus had been circulating for longer than generally believed and that large swathes of the population had already been exposed.

His comments seem to be speculation more than anything. I can't see any government adopting a herd immunity policy based on that view.

If there is one issue in all of this that the equipment for NHS staff is according to osme still a issue that isn't being vitally & properly addressed