US Election & Presidency

(18-10-2020 22:13 )Slabhead Wrote:  You're naive and uninformed if you think Clinton lost merely because of a 'bad campaign'. She represented everything that ordinary Americans hate about career politicians. A completely uncharismatic person where it was no secret that she felt she had a divine right to become President. And the corruption, fucking hell she makes Trump look clean

More Americans voted for Hillary than they did for Donald, she won the popular vote by a few million .

(18-10-2020 22:22 )The Silent Majority Wrote:  

(18-10-2020 21:19 )Slabhead Wrote:  He just brokered a peace deal between Israel and the UAE

He brokered fuck all. He bribed the UAE with the supply of F35 stealth fighters.

It wasnt a peace deal it was a normalisation of Relations

it was more to do with the threat from iran and those jets than wanting to I bet for a fact they had to get permission from the Saudi's to do it

Even Murdoch thinks Trump doesnt stand a fucking chance

https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1317208720162652160

(18-10-2020 21:37 )Slabhead Wrote:  

(18-10-2020 21:28 )SecretAgent Wrote:  ^^ You seem to be having a problem with the facts Slabhead. Israel has never been at war with UAE so whatever Trump wants to call it “peace deal” is not what it was.

The UAE like almost every other Arab country has been at war with Israel, most of them in all but name out of solidarity with the Palestinians.

Yes the only fucking war Israel has right now is with Palestine and tbh I'd say that is in a stalemate and I don't even recall/remember if the UAE has ever attacked Israel.
when was the last time Trump condemned Palestine for shelling Israel?

(18-10-2020 21:07 )Slabhead Wrote:  ... these identitarians need to be sent back to the gates of hell. This isn't the left, the principled left. This is a perversion of the left. ....

I'll say.

Isn't identitarianism a far right movement?

They've drifted pretty far if they're now perverting the left.

(18-10-2020 23:37 )Dave_A Wrote:  

(18-10-2020 22:13 )Slabhead Wrote:  You're naive and uninformed if you think Clinton lost merely because of a 'bad campaign'. She represented everything that ordinary Americans hate about career politicians. A completely uncharismatic person where it was no secret that she felt she had a divine right to become President. And the corruption, fucking hell she makes Trump look clean

More Americans voted for Hillary than they did for Donald, she won the popular vote by a few million .

and to me, Trump still only won because of 'likely outside interference' which likely proved the US voting system is a flawed system.
if it was wide open to allow the Russians to alter the result. Once the US stops the billionaires/celebs running for President, and leave the presidency open to senators and the like who are of political stature, then you probably MIGHT get a President in the White House who will be respected the world over.
Trump might think he's respected by the world but I wouldn't be surprised if his global rating is lower than Boris's.

(19-10-2020 06:30 )Goodfella3041 Wrote:  

(18-10-2020 21:07 )Slabhead Wrote:  ... these identitarians need to be sent back to the gates of hell. This isn't the left, the principled left. This is a perversion of the left. ....

I'll say.

Isn't identitarianism a far right movement?

They've drifted pretty far if they're now perverting the left.

It all depends where you stand, doesn't it?

I mean, how far to the right are you if you regard Fascism as left wing...

(18-10-2020 15:37 )Slabhead Wrote:  

(18-10-2020 06:53 )lovebabes56 Wrote:  What bloody miracles has Trump performed that are way greater than Jesus? He can't raise anyone from the dead feed 5,00 people with fish and bread, turn water into wine can he? If he could do all that then, yes, you can make the comparison but you can't.

Seems like you take the biblical narrative of Jesus way more literally than I do lol. I don't believe in 'miracles' but what Trump has done with the economy and in particular for working class Americans and African American minorities has been nothing short of impressive. Jesus was a trailblazer and so is Trump. Jesus was a radical and so is Trump for coming to DC and ripping establishment politicians a new one

okay then master genius, just tell me how do you work out that Jesus was a radical?
he died on the cross to show that good can triumph over evil and no, I don't take the bible any more literally than anybody else but I think any person who makes good from humble beginning as Jesus did deserves great credit in my book.
Jesus did good to people and in the last two years, Trump has been the complete opposite in my eyes.
and by the way if we leave the EU with a no deal Brexit you can be sure Trump will do everything screw us over one way or another with a trade deal that will no doubt be worth fuck all to this country, just to get his dirty paws on our wonderful NHS. Think about that.

Trump's fallen out with America top Government scientist Anthony Fauci. He's calling Fauci an idiot.

He's dumping all the Corona virus blame on Fauci

Last two weeks.

Biden's up by almost 11%. FiveThirtyEight -- which is usually more generous to Trump -- gives him a 12% chance to win. The Economist has him in single-digits.

I'm at a loss to figure out what Trump's strategy is to close the gap. The rallies have all been pretty tepid affairs compared to 2016, and he just seems to be recycling the old hits. They've even dusted off the "lock her up" chant (nominally directed at Michigan governor Gretchen Whitmer).

"Law & Order" isn't really doing it. Even Fox can't be bothered with the whole Hunter Biden 'scandal'. And the less said about Covid the better. He is still outperforming Biden on the economy, but that doesn't seem to be translating into voting intention. It's like people are saying, "yeah, I'd probably make more money under Trump, but -- y'know what -- it's just not worth it anymore"

I don't think the post-Town Hall polls are all in, but I don't expect they'll be good news for America's Crazy Uncle, so he's really just got one last debate on Thursday to try and tighten up the race. But unlike 2016, a huge proportion of votes have already been cast, and there are far fewer undecided voters out there who are open to persuasion. There's a limit to how much the race can even tighten at this point.

I still hope the Democrats don't get complacent. I expect Trump to cry foul at the first sign of a misplaced mail-in ballot. They'll have to run up the score so that there can be no doubt.