Coronavirus - is enough being done to contain it?

Put anything in the hands of Boris & Co, and it will become a cock up!!
I will not be surprised if both Pfizer and Oxford eventually to try and wrest control from the cabinet and the Government, and carry out the vaccination roll out themselves in conjunction with the NHS & the Army as support.

(01-01-2021 11:37 )lovebabes56 Wrote:  Put anything in the hands of Boris & Co, and it will become a cock up!!
I will not be surprised if both Pfizer and Oxford eventually to try and wrest control from the cabinet and the Government, and carry out the vaccination roll out themselves in conjunction with the NHS & the Army as support.

madness mate. Do you seriously think pharmaceutical companies would want to do that. Absolute bollocks

actually i dont think its boris and co its the regulators and Chief medical officers that are pushing for this they have obviously seen the trial data as well as prob done there own research. I thought it was only the Astra zenica one that was going to be done 12 weeks later but if its the pfizer one as well

theory is that the AZ gives 70% protection better than flu jabs and other after 3months and that no one had to be hospitalised after it

I wonder if the vaccine would be more effective if gave it area by area to all the adults.
There would then be herd immunity in that area, it would be easier in impliment and follow up.

And there would be no need to have a lockdown once that immunity is reached.

^^ Surprised it hasnt happened esp now the london and the south east are in the shite screw the northerners out of the vaccine

^^ give it a week or two mate , if the south east keeps getting worse then i am sure the current plan will be ripped up and the north will be left to fight for them selfs as government dose it first and most important job to look after the south lol

U-turn on primary schools returning in London, as 10 remaining authorities added to the list of those not re-starting, after the threat of legal action.

So with the latest dispute/disagreement over the administering of the vaccine - first to second dose - and the time lag between the two, where do you stand?? (with apologies if covered in earlier posts) For me, it is simple and obvious : with the company that developed the vaccine in question saying categorically that it should be given and received three weeks apart, and with the doctors bodies saying the same, further, stating that their is NO evidence to suggest any benefit ion waiting the extra 3 months proposed by the govt, it is clear to me.

At what point is this govt going to be willing to listen to the scientific/medical experts (still a dirty word apparently post brexit) and simply do as they advise?? Any govt/person that diverges from the opinion of those that develop vaccines and those that medically administer them, must take the consequences if more fatalities result. If they make decisions - not with the benefit of hindsight - but with clear evidence in front of them, that does diverge from the 'best practice' advice and instruction of such experts, then someone should see them in court as a govt, in the same way an individual would be - facing manslaughter charges for each and every death attributable directly to their decision.

(01-01-2021 11:37 )lovebabes56 Wrote:  Put anything in the hands of Boris & Co, and it will become a cock up!!
I will not be surprised if both Pfizer and Oxford eventually to try and wrest control from the cabinet and the Government, and carry out the vaccination roll out themselves in conjunction with the NHS & the Army as support.

As unlikely as it sounds, you might be on to something! Perhaps the roll out should have been the responsibility of the NHS all along.

(01-01-2021 20:36 )hornball Wrote:  At what point is this govt going to be willing to listen to the scientific/medical experts (still a dirty word apparently post brexit) and simply do as they advise??

As I understand it, it was the scientific experts who advised this. The same ones we were lauding a couple of days ago for approving the vaccines for use.

(01-01-2021 20:36 )hornball Wrote:  Any govt/person that diverges from the opinion of those that develop vaccines and those that medically administer them, must take the consequences if more fatalities result. If they make decisions - not with the benefit of hindsight - but with clear evidence in front of them, that does diverge from the 'best practice' advice and instruction of such experts, then someone should see them in court as a govt, in the same way an individual would be - facing manslaughter charges for each and every death attributable directly to their decision.

And what if more deaths occur by giving the two doses close together, but covering half as many people?

Let's be honest, I doubt any of us have the expertise to know whether this is the right thing to do. It does make me very apprehensive that the manufacturers won't back this course of action. But, on the other hand, they will want to have their arses well covered if there was even a small chance of it all going tits up.