Russian Invasion Of Ukraine

(10-06-2022 20:31 )skully Wrote:  It's a fact that the Russian backed region has human rights issues, stop reading pro Russian propaganda and get a fucking clue.
Maybe visit amnesty.org.

Human Rights taking a pounding in a theatre of war? What do you fucking expect? Daisy chains and buttercups? (the only "daisy" fighters on both sides may be getting is a daisy-cutter).

(10-06-2022 20:19 )crankshaft Wrote:  Only those living in the region over this period can really speak with absolute authority as to what has occurred in the region over the last 8 years

Maybe you should follow your own advice.

(10-06-2022 22:40 )The Silent Majority Wrote:  

(10-06-2022 20:19 )crankshaft Wrote:  Only those living in the region over this period can really speak with absolute authority as to what has occurred in the region over the last 8 years

Maybe you should follow your own advice.

Likewise yourself.

Nevertheless, broader facts can be deduced, such as, as I said, the fact that the vast majority of the 14000 people who have died in Donbas region over the last 8 years have been Russian-speaking peoples who were pro-separatist (with some areas in the region entirely Russian separatist).

Similarly, other facts via news journalism may be cited such as reports of cholera outbreaks in the city of Mariupol where 100,000 are still estimated to be residing in unimaginably grotesque conditions

(11-06-2022 09:43 )crankshaft Wrote:  Similarly, other facts via news journalism may be cited such as reports of cholera outbreaks in the city of Mariupol where 100,000 are still estimated to be residing in unimaginably grotesque conditions

^ who do you think is responsible for the cholera then?

(11-06-2022 09:59 )SecretAgent Wrote:  

(11-06-2022 09:43 )crankshaft Wrote:  Similarly, other facts via news journalism may be cited such as reports of cholera outbreaks in the city of Mariupol where 100,000 are still estimated to be residing in unimaginably grotesque conditions

^who do you think is responsible for the cholera then?

Russian and Ukrainian forces as a result of collateral damage

^ Bollocks! Try saying Russia by illegally invading the sovereign country of Ukraine. Think I’ll refer to you as Lord Haw Haw from now on.

Secret Agent, are you sitting comfortably? Let me explain. Russia surrounded Mariupol. What ensued was a military battle between Ukrainian forces and Russian forces which has resulted in massive destruction.

If you are suggesting that absolutely all this collateral damage was done by Russian bombardment, then you're mistaken I'm afraid.

Crankshaft if you can’t recognise that the reason Mariupol was surrounded was because of an illegal invasion by Russia then you are to be pitied for your lack of understanding or refusal to put the blame where it belongs. Both sideism simply does not work in this matter. Perhaps you also believe that the chemical weapon attack on the Skripals in Salisbury was just an unfortunate accident caused by themselves rather than your Russian masters.

(11-06-2022 09:43 )crankshaft Wrote:  Similarly, other facts via news journalism may be cited such as reports of cholera outbreaks in the city of Mariupol where 100,000 are still estimated to be residing in unimaginably grotesque conditions

It's almost a month since the steel plant fell. The Russians have been in full control of the city itself for even longer. It's nowhere near the frontline.

Why aren't the Russians helping these people who they 'liberated'?

(11-06-2022 12:08 )SecretAgent Wrote:  Crankshaft if you can’t recognise that the reason Mariupol was surrounded was because of an illegal invasion by Russia then you are to be pitied for your lack of understanding or refusal to put the blame where it belongs. Both sideism simply does not work in this matter. Perhaps you also believe that the chemical weapon attack on the Skripals in Salisbury was just an unfortunate accident caused by themselves rather than your Russian masters.

For God's sake! Just because I keep an objective open mind about what's been happening in this 8-year long war (& the recent history of what happened leading up to 2014), you label me a Russian mouthpiece. Try to wipe the cobwebs away from your own lens of objectivity, stand back abit and at least try to grasp the wider picture here.

I am not an apologist for Russia. I am also not an apologist for Right-Sector Ukrainian nationalism which happily integrates neo-nazi fascists into its war machine and tactics it has used. Both sides in this war are responsible for crimes against humanity in this war. There are allegations that Ukraine's Azov Batallion used civilians as human shields in military combat against the invading Russians in Mariupol, probably because they were Russian-speaking civilians who they don't care too much about.