Paige - Discussion Thread

(12-11-2009 16:10 )alanafan232 Wrote:  mabye it is anti pagie hype i know there some ppl on the fourm not huge fans's of her but there some who do like her

all the anti pagie stuff come from when she dident get her tits out 4 ages now she has so i dunno

Only some of the anti-paige stuff comes from the above reason. Some people on the forum simply used the anti-Paige campaign to wind up some other forum members who are big Paige fans. Those Paige fans are now no longer on the forum.
I also personally talk with Anna too on FB and she really is down to earth and lovely-just a normal girl. I first got chatting to her when she fell ill and she chatted many times when she was off work. I have also had many chats with Paige, both on the phones and on FB too though some sicko kept taking her FB down. Again another girl who is friendly and certainly not stuck up. No I do not delude myself that they are great friends-they are simply the same as any other 'friend' I may chat to on FB. I live in the real world.....I just choose to watch a fantasy world.

(13-11-2009 07:34 )bytor Wrote:  Only some of the anti-paige stuff comes from the above reason. Some people on the forum simply used the anti-Paige campaign to wind up some other forum members who are big Paige fans. Those Paige fans are now no longer on the forum.

You have got to be kidding with that little history rewrite.

Those "big Paige fans" set about baiting arguments just so they could have an excuse to play white knight, jumped on anyone who expressed an opinion that wasn't in praise of her, and quickly and constantly tried to shut down ANY discussion that was contrary to their sycophantic viewpoint.

It still goes on occasionally, I've seen you try to shut down discussion one or two times yourself and an ALTernate "fan" recently try a little baiting, but thankfully the numbers aren't there and the mods seem to have more control over such issues now.

Of course, in their disingenuous efforts to play white knight and control discussion of Paige and her performances, what the obsessives actually managed to do was stir up significant resentment and ill-feeling towards Paige and create a no-win situation wherein she was inevitably associated with their behaviour and attitude. Thus, even though many of obsessives are now banned (/skulking around under alts) and the topless issue has passed, it's going to take time for the shit to wash off (figure of speech) - even if most of it wasn't of her making.

Thanks you have just confirmed my point about some of the anti-Paige stuff actually being aimed at others and not the girl. Shame that had to happen and that there was a fall out at all in the first place to be honest, after all we are all here for the same reason-the girls.

(13-11-2009 12:36 )bytor Wrote:  Thanks you have just confirmed my point about some of the anti-Paige stuff actually being aimed at others and not the girl. Shame that had to happen and that there was a fall out at all in the first place to be honest, after all we are all here for the same reason-the girls.

Perhaps a matter of wording, but it's not so much a case of negativity or critisism being shown towards her as a means of getting at the aforementioned obsessives, but rather a negative perception and sentiment attatching itself as a result of her association with and the actions and behaviour of that group.

You seem to be trying to use this as a means of dismissing or discrediting critisism and negative opinions of others, which is exactly the attitude that lead to this problem in the first place.

Every girl on these channels has her detractors, it's normal, to be expected, and usually causes little or no friction beyond a difference of opinion. The real problems occur when you try to elevate a girl above question, critisism or reproach and attack or try to prevent any dissenting opinion. All it does is have the exact opposite effect - others look upon her and her performances more critically and with greater skeptisism and are more inclined to express such opinions and any shorcomings they find.

It doesn't mean such critisisms and opinions are neccesarily wrong or unjustifiable, it just means people are more likely to come up with more of them as they pay more attention and regard the matter with greater skeptisism and scrutiny.

i wish i could express myself se eliquently... but no im pretty basic when it comes to wordy bits... thanx.

(13-11-2009 16:39 )Nigma Wrote:  

(13-11-2009 12:36 )bytor Wrote:  Thanks you have just confirmed my point about some of the anti-Paige stuff actually being aimed at others and not the girl. Shame that had to happen and that there was a fall out at all in the first place to be honest, after all we are all here for the same reason-the girls.

Perhaps a matter of wording, but it's not so much a case of negativity or critisism being shown towards her as a means of getting at the aforementioned obsessives, but rather a negative perception and sentiment attatching itself as a result of her association with and the actions and behaviour of that group.

You seem to be trying to use this as a means of dismissing or discrediting critisism and negative opinions of others, which is exactly the attitude that lead to this problem in the first place.

Every girl on these channels has her detractors, it's normal, to be expected, and usually causes little or no friction beyond a difference of opinion. The real problems occur when you try to elevate a girl above question, critisism or reproach and attack or try to prevent any dissenting opinion. All it does is have the exact opposite effect - others look upon her and her performances more critically and with greater skeptisism and are more inclined to express such opinions and any shorcomings they find.

It doesn't mean such critisisms and opinions are neccesarily wrong or unjustifiable, it just means people are more likely to come up with more of them as they pay more attention and regard the matter with greater skeptisism and scrutiny.

I am not trying to say that any person cannot be criticised or is above criticism and I am certainly not pointing a finger at you or anyone else on your thanks list. If someone posts that a certain girl is a waste of time and should not be on a show another person has the right to say the opposite surely? Everyone is entitled to their opinion including myself. Perhaps it simply boils down to perception and taste as to which viewpoint you are looking from.
I do think however when some of the girls say that they will not be coming on here again bacause of the abuse they have received from certain people then something is wrong. There is a big difference between being critical and being abusive. There is a big difference in making opinions known on the forum and posting offensive pm's as some of the girls have told me they have received in the last few months. That to me is making it personal and is bound to be upsetting for any of the girls.

(12-11-2009 19:19 )Hexit Wrote:  

(12-11-2009 18:43 )Winston Wolfe Wrote:  They can't give everyone too much time otherwise they'd never get anything done - but this is true for most people not just Glamour Models. Most people meet through work, interests or socially through a friend of a friend - and the girls on these channels are no different... So if it's a more random situation in a pub or club, then the vibes have to be right before approaching any girl you don't know and vice versa.

not realy what im getting at m8, fair enough if you dont know the girl, but if you walked up to her and said hi im BLAH BLAh we talked on the phone. im pretty sure things wont go as planned.

I was generalising... It just happens to have been brought up on Paige's thread. It wasn't a direct response to your post(s), although I did understand what you were trying to say...

The bit I've marked in bold... If a caller did that they would obviously have to be a bit naive to say the least if the girls were out on their own time (especially the night girls). Some guy once approached Dani like that in a club and she didn't appreciate none too much... It generally wouldn't get a good response either and that's understandable, it would be awkward!

(13-11-2009 16:39 )Nigma Wrote:  Every girl on these channels has her detractors, it's normal, to be expected, and usually causes little or no friction beyond a difference of opinion. The real problems occur when you try to elevate a girl above question, critisism or reproach and attack or try to prevent any dissenting opinion. All it does is have the exact opposite effect - others look upon her and her performances more critically and with greater skeptisism and are more inclined to express such opinions and any shorcomings they find.

Very good point... As long as it's "constructive criticism" and not abusive. Vice versa applies too... The girls shouldn't be abusive to customers - unless they're gimps

Paige seems to have quite an effect on the forum

I quite like her meself

(13-11-2009 18:19 )bytor Wrote:  I am not trying to say that any person cannot be criticised or is above criticism and I am certainly not pointing a finger at you or anyone else on your thanks list. If someone posts that a certain girl is a waste of time and should not be on a show another person has the right to say the opposite surely? Everyone is entitled to their opinion including myself. Perhaps it simply boils down to perception and taste as to which viewpoint you are looking from.

Yes, someone has the right to say the opposite and express disagreement. The problem is that in the case of responding and reacting to non-positive comments it typically goes beyond expressing simple disagreement and into actually trying to prevent further expression of an opinion or view on the basis of dismissing it as wrong or even not genuine.

Again, you've hit the right point in raising perspective, but in the wrong context. The friction is typically caused when the "fans" base what they deem to be a genuine or valid opinion or remark on their own perspective. Negative comments or opinions are met with the attitude that once such an opinion has been expressed it should not be expressed again, and if it is raised again should be shut down because it has been mentioned before. On the other hand acclaim, praise and adoration go unchalleneged, are welcome and can be restated ad-nauseum regardless of how many times such comments and opinions have been mentioned or discussed.

The point is, for those elements of her fanbase which would try to elevate her beyond question, "everyone is entitled to their opinion" was/is suddenly NOT applicable where comments don't fit with what they view is right. This causes the aforementioned friction and as a result you get a greater degree of conflict and skeptisism than you would have otherwise had.

(13-11-2009 18:19 )bytor Wrote:  I do think however when some of the girls say that they will not be coming on here again bacause of the abuse they have received from certain people then something is wrong. There is a big difference between being critical and being abusive. There is a big difference in making opinions known on the forum and posting offensive pm's as some of the girls have told me they have received in the last few months. That to me is making it personal and is bound to be upsetting for any of the girls.

It's the internet - the fuckwit is the national bird and you have to expect to run into the odd keyboard crank from time to time. The girls in particular are going to draw a few extra loons just because of their own public exposure and being the focus of attention.

Abusive PM's are unacceptible and members have been banned for sending them in the past. The girls can easily report them to a mod and it's easy enough to turn off the feature or even ignore them.

Genuine abuse will almost always result in the abuser getting flamed to hell and back by the inevitable flurry of defenders which will spring up, and will be tackled by mods when they come upon it or it is reported to them.

Critisism, which makes up the majority of remarks (but is often portrayed as "abuse"), is inevitable and if the girls aren't able to accept that it occurs and handle it then they're in the wrong business being in the public eye, let alone posting on a forum in which they and their work is discussed.

That aside, it's a two way street. Many girls use this board only to tout for business and show little respect to the posters here. Others behave in a manner which anyone would expect to be called on and get flack for. For example and keeping on topic, Paige didn't do herself any favours in her responses here, stirring up trouble and behaving in a way which could only illicit a negative reaction.