Keir Starmer - and his miserable government

That the legislation would be subject to "activist judges in Strasbourg"

Jenrick was not just out of order trying to politicise the debate he was also wrong as the judges have said that the “right to die” is not something they intervene with - it’s up to individual governments which is why the “right to die already exists in some European countries.

Most European xountries have had assisted dying laws in place for several years and I think tbh successsive Britidh Governments have either backed away or lacked the courage & conviction to even debate the subject sensitively without it becomng politicised. It was a free vote and the margin that was gained in passsing suggests to me the strength and feeling there was as to how the debate was handled and carried out.
I believe the Netherlands, Swirzerland, & Belgium have had them the longest. In a sense I think assisted dying is probably on par with capital punishment as a ensitive debate in our Parliament but I'm very pleased that debate was done so sensitively & it has passed. There is still a long road ahead before it becomes
law & I am sure as & when it reaches the upper Chamber, it will be handled just as senstively there as it was in the Commons, and I do think the various religious memebers of the upper chamber will argue in their own way on the issue. I think it is in the Upper Chamber is where it will have it's most difficult time in the process. I just hope that any amedments that have to be made are done subtly as possible without watering it down.

For once I think, the majority of the House of Commons behaved commendably in debating the issue & think they should be applauded for that.

All I hope now the Speaker (I'm sure he has the power) will force Jenrick to make something of a grovelling apology to the House for using that debate in the way he did.

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(30-11-2024 21:38 )The Silent Majority Wrote:  What exactly did he say?

I've not seen any outrage anywhere else.

He spoke about the ECHR which had completely NOTHING to do with the debate subject

(30-11-2024 22:32 )Tumble_Drier Wrote:  ^He had a swipe at the ECHR, just a case of wrong place & time really as the rest of the debate was surprisingly grown up.

I have to say it was sounding surprisingly very grown up what I heard of it on five live and was handled very sensitively. Members respected each other's view and arguments and I think you could hear a pin drop at times. I'm sure the Speaker himself was visibly moved during the whole thing.

Ah, right. Well obviously he needs hung, drawn, and quartered at the earliest opportunity

The media seem to have pretty much ignored the comment. Which is probably the right response, given the sensitive nature of the bill

Crikey!

https://x.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1864675504126677369

^ Interesting.

I mean, 2600 is a good sample size, but given how annoyed most people are with Labour, is it really surprising. It's been a very negative start.
The only way they will improve their numbers is if they stop pushing voters away, winning is one thing, holding on is another and they are setting themselves up for failure.
They can't keep everyone happy, sure, but they can stop pissing everyone off at least. That's a good plan for change
Given what's happening in the world, with the influence/interference of people like Musk and of course Russia, as well as our media being unhelpful (anger equals clicks and money), Labour are playing right into the hands of those who'd be happy to see an end to them. Nobody else to blame either.

Where the info comes from. https://findoutnow.co.uk/blog/voting-int...-dec-2024/

Quote:Labour voters are less likely to say they’ll vote. Only 84% of 2024 GE Labour voters say they would ‘definitely’ or ‘very likely’ vote if there were a general election called tomorrow, compared to 95% of Conservatives and 90% of Reform UK voters

Labour voters are less likely to stick with their party. Of those who say they’re planning to vote and give a valid vote choice, only 69% of 2024 GE Labour voters say they’ll vote Labour again, compared to 82% of Conservatives and 90% of Reform UK voters

Labour voters are more likely to say they ‘Don’t know’ how they would vote. 2024 GE Labour voters are more than twice as likely as Conservative and Reform voters to say ‘Don’t know’, even after prompting them with a follow-up question

So, Tory and Reform voters are staunch in support, whereas Labour voters aren't, or at least not at the same levels. I think that's a problem that they won't be able to fix easily.

I feeel the first aid plaster approach is not what the country needs.

Two announcements which aren't connected.
Government departments have been told to find 5% in savings. And the government are going to give up to 11 million pounds in aid to Syria.