Mainstream TV nudity vs babeshow nudity

(15-03-2011 00:57 )StanTheMan Wrote:  

(14-03-2011 19:09 )johnm Wrote:  

(14-03-2011 00:32 )StanTheMan Wrote:  [edit] Slightly off topic, but just seen an advert for Red Hot TV on Dave, of all places. Could this be an indication that the adult channels are getting a little more acceptance?

red hot tv have had ads on other channels for a few years now.

What on mainstream channels like Dave? I've certainly never seen them on there before.

yes and been a while since i have seen any only ever seen red hot do them.

(14-03-2011 19:49 )Scottishbloke Wrote:  First of all taking into consideration the amount of adult orientated material on the other channels outwith the babe channels and the fact that ofcom seem to be not all that bothered could maybe be seen as a positive leap forward, with time I think the general feeling on the babe channels from ofcom will probably be you know fuck it we're just going to have to accept them and move on, I once thought under a new government that ofcom would be disbanded but clearly that's just not now the case and unfortunately like it or not ofcom are here to stay but that doesn't necessary mean a continuation of the current climate of hounding that currently exists. The babe channels are getting stronger these days and to be honest are now widely accepted as just a bit of late night naughtiness by the general public. One day ofcom will listen to public opinion and if they can accept what the rest of the channels outwith the adult epg show then hopefully they might just begin to back off more on the babe channels and let things be. A disaster such as the recent tsunami in Japan really does put whats important into perspective. The 2012 prophecy could also come true so why worry about some lighthearted late night erotic material, I mean fuck we could all be dead tommorow anyway so we may aswell get as much fun out of life while we still can.

What Ofc@m say and what they do are two different things and shows why we the viewer cannot believe what they say.

Extracts from their Annual Plan 2010/11

a) We are committed to evidence-based decision-making. This requires us to understand consumer attitudes, which we achieve through a comprehensive programme of market research, and to understand market developments, which we do through gathering and analysing market intelligence.

b) The level of complaints is a key indicator in prioritising where Ofcom takes enforcement action.


a) We are already aware how Ofc@m pre-load consultations with outcomes that they desire and interpret audience surveys to such an extent that the published outcomes do not represent the information gathered.
A cautionary approach to unencrypted live adult content is probably a reasonable stance to take if the channels were still located randomly within the general EPG, but, when they are blocked together in an adult sector mixed with encrypted adult channels then such an approach is not reasonable when there is no hard and firm evidence of harm, offensive material is defined by the high court and not permitted on TV and an individual's morals (viewer or regulator) should not dictate content aimed at the broad minded majority.

b) A total of 7090 complaints were reported to Ofc@m between the 6 month period of 1/4/10 to 31/9/10 concerning all broadcast material.
Of these, 52 complaints were against the adult channels or 0.73% of the total, this is generally in line with Ofc@m's research that 1% of the adult population watch these channels. 31 of these complaints were upheld giving a 60% chance of a guilty verdict.
Compare this with Channel 4 who received 2280 complaints, 32% of the total, with only 1 found 'In Breach' and 8 resolved, giving a 0.04% chance of a guilty verdict.

These hard statistics sort of blow Ofc@m's statement about complaints prioritising enforcement out of the water and truly show an enforcement bias against the babe channels.

I will only believe that Ofc@m are starting to accept these channels once they reject all complaints about offence and harm, do not allow complainants to be anonymous, work in partnership with the BBFC when determining content breaches and issue objective guidance in line with independent audience surveys.

Thanks to the YT Group for providing the above complaint statistics.

Strayed onto Sky Arts 2 and caught a brief scene in a film called Radio On, must have been after 1am. A man is watching slide photos some of which are explicit - my eye was caught by a woman wearing a strap on vaginally penetrating another woman.

Its in black and white and very dated, but the strap on could have come from a modern porn film. (The film dates from 1979 or 1980 if you believe IMDB and was Chris Petits debut. IMDB credits Sting and Kim Taylforth, sister of Gillian, with parts, not that I have seen them. Signs of the times include Double Diamond in the pub. Train spotters might like to know that the cetral characters car registration is WXX 905 - these days that would be on a Porche, not a Hillman Imp or whatever it was).

BBC 4 is showing Anna Nicole, an opera about Anna Nicole Smith, at the moment. Caught about 30 seconds before I had to change channels due to members of the Royal Opera singing about cum buckets (with subtitles). No nudity but the language would get a babe channel spanked, fined, owned and eventually shut down. But its the BBC so thats OK. And remember, there are no parental controls on analogue TV.

From the pre film warning for Excalibur, ITV3 now: "Contains scenes of graphic violence and a sexual nature".

Better not watch then.

"Also available in HD".

So awful its available in high quality.

MTV on Sky channel 126 at approx 12:30am Sunday 3rd April;
'Sanchez gets high: Dainton vs Pritchard' the lads are in Brasil looking for natural highs and are told that being stung by Orchid Wasps gets you high. Dainton gets stung in the face and Pritchard tells him that urine is the best cure. Viewers are then shown Pritchard urinating on Daintons face in full detail.
Now, that is alright because we kind expect that sort of thing from the dirty sanchez lads but yet on the babeshows they can't show pussy, even though that is what we expect to see Now that has got to be more proof that Ofcom don't have a fucking clue what they're doing.

(04-04-2011 01:43 )SYBORG666 Wrote:  Now that has got to be more proof that Ofcom don't have a fucking clue what they're doing.

Trouble is, WE already know Ofcom don't have a fucking clue what they're doing. Problem is making those people up in high places, who might actually bring them to task, realise it too.

(04-04-2011 02:21 )StanTheMan Wrote:  

(04-04-2011 01:43 )SYBORG666 Wrote:  Now that has got to be more proof that Ofcom don't have a fucking clue what they're doing.

Trouble is, WE already know Ofcom don't have a fucking clue what they're doing. Problem is making those people up in high places, who might actually bring them to task, realise it too.

It's just a shame that it's only us on here that can see the blatantly obvious and not those where it counts. I mean, we are talking about a government that was debating whether to arm rebels in Libya that have factions linked to Al-Queda

All the points people have made are true and valid.

However, after 11 there are totally naked women covered in oil with only there hand covering their hairy axe wound.... You wouldn't find this on any other channel for any prolonged period and I suspect that eventually ofcom will clamp down.

I just can't understand why free to air stuff like this can't be pin protected and then full frontal nudity can be shown and for extended periods.
The current rules as they stand are rather baffling, you can get virtually identical channels that are on the Internet (which you can play through your TV) and they can show virtually anything ..... As soon as it gets transmitted through the air then you can't.... Bonkers

(04-04-2011 06:02 )Tepid water Wrote:  I just can't understand why free to air stuff like this can't be pin protected and then full frontal nudity can be shown and for extended periods.

As far as I know there would be no difference in standard if they paid £30,000 for a pin option on Sky.