Football Banter

Why are Frank Rijkaard & Jurgen Klinsmann considered 'Big names'???

Rafa Benitez, Arsene Wenger, David Moyes & Jose Mourinho weren't big names when they took over Liverpool, Arsenal, Everton & Chelsea yet they did & are doing well.

I don't understand this big name thing, the same as Oh we need a big name signing yet no one has ever been linked with Panathinaikos midfielder Lazaros Christodoulopoulos or Rapid Vienna's Jan Johannes Vennegoor of Hesselink

(16-06-2011 21:08 )snookered147 Wrote:  Most Villa fans I have spoken to wanted a big name such as Rijkaard, Van Gaal or Klinsmann.

The Villa fans calling Talk Sport all wanted Mark Hughes. Anyway McLeish is now confirmed as the Aston Villa manager. He probably needs a good start to win over the fans, but the fixtures are out today and seem to be reasonably kind in terms of the start Villa have got:

Fulham - Aston Villa
Aston Villa - Blackburn Rovers
Aston Villa - Wolverhampton Wanderers
Everton - Aston Villa
Aston Villa - Newcastle United
Queens Park Rangers - Aston Villa
Aston Villa - Wigan Athletic

(16-06-2011 23:55 )mitchell Wrote:  Why are Frank Rijkaard & Jurgen Klinsmann considered 'Big names'???

Rafa Benitez, Arsene Wenger, David Moyes & Jose Mourinho weren't big names when they took over Liverpool, Arsenal, Everton & Chelsea yet they did & are doing well.

There's a pattern here. Rijkaard and Klinsmann were big name players, Benitez, Wenger, Moyes and Mourinho were not. Having said that, they were hardly unknowns to anyone who follows European football (Moyes excepted). Benitez won two Spanish league titles with Valencia, Wenger won stuff with Monaco and brought through a number of the '98 World Cup winners, and The Special One had already won a Champions League with Porto.
It just goes to show that it is extremely rare for a great player to become a great manager (as opposed to just very good).

nice easy start to the new season for arsenal:
newcastle away
liverpool home
united away

eagle_si I know Rafa & Jose were known for what they did in Spain & Portugal especially Rafa who broke the Barca, Real two team league but Arsene Wenger wasn't really well known when he came to Arsenal.

As for great players not being good managers, Kenny did alright & he's back again

Looking at the fixtures this season the old cliché is gonna have to be used again, there's no easy games in the Premier League even with the promoted teams although I can't see Swansea being allowed to do what Blackpool did last season & eventhough QPR haven't done any big business yet they will have massive pressure on them every game.

With Stoke being in Europe they may struggle in the following Sunday league game & even with money to spend it doesn't look good at the minute for Newcastle with their best goalscoring midfielder leaving for Championship football (I don't understand this one).

I think these two fixtures not necessarily the result but the games themselves will tell us a lot on how hard & compact the league's gonna be this season.
Stoke v Chelsea
West Brom v Man Utd

(17-06-2011 12:52 )mitchell Wrote:  As for great players not being good managers, Kenny did alright & he's back again

I never said that. Read my post again and you'll see.
I had a feeling you or one of the other Reds would mention Kenny Great player? Undoubtedly. Great manager (as opposed to "very good")? Not on his managerial career as a whole. But if he manages to get Liverpool "back on their fucking perch" by ending that 21-year wait for a title, I can reconsider that verdict.

(17-06-2011 14:36 )eagle_si Wrote:  

(17-06-2011 12:52 )mitchell Wrote:  As for great players not being good managers, Kenny did alright & he's back again

I never said that. Read my post again and you'll see.
I had a feeling you or one of the other Reds would mention Kenny Great player? Undoubtedly. Great manager (as opposed to "very good")? Not on his managerial career as a whole. But if he manages to get Liverpool "back on their fucking perch" by ending that 21-year wait for a title, I can reconsider that verdict.

I didn't mean you it's just the general conception that a great player is never a great manager. As for King Kenny, he managed us to success once & now he's back to hopefully do it again, what happend inbetween was nothing to do with us, as far as we know he was just on a cruise

that king kenny shit's gonna get old very quickly!!

^^^^The Arsenal fan is obviously still sour over KK telling the geography teacher to piss off

(17-06-2011 17:20 )terence Wrote:  that king kenny shit's gonna get old very quickly!!

How old is old & how quick is very, he's been the King since 1977.