Football Banter

(14-07-2011 22:55 )iamthatjack Wrote:  Whoa Fulham were pretty good!

Fair enough, but surely for a club with aspirations such as yours, you want to be in that top category, not with us and Arsenal's defensive record!

In that sense, you need to improve you defence!

See the edit to my last comment

Fulham would have been even better had we not battered them and put 5 past them at Craven Cottage toward the end of the season

Oh yeah...it was Dossena who lobbed Van Der Sar that time not Degen!! Degen wouldnt score in a brothel with a bunch of 50 quid notes!!

(14-07-2011 20:48 )iamthatjack Wrote:  So in conclusion, maybe the right back isn't too bad, though you could definitely improve it, you definitely need a left back as you said (should have looked at Arne ) and you certainly need at least 2 centre backs, 1 needs to be world class. That way you can get rid of 2 out of Carra (retire), Agger, Skrel, Kyrgiakos and maybe make some money as well!

In no way do I mean any disrespect with this, I am just being honest!

See what I wrote in bold!

You said we needed a whole new defence which is what started all this off!! Now it's down to 2 CB's (1 world class) and a LB...i dont even see it as being that bad. Here's little secret for you...Martin Kelly, the guy who you referred to as our only good defender is actually a centre half by trade and not a RB so he'll be moving in there very soon i reckon

God, i've missed this debating

Unless you can show me where I said 'a whole new defence', all I said was that you needed a new defence! - I know that may sound pedantic but there's in a difference in my mind!

I've heard good things about Kelly, is he English?

(14-07-2011 23:25 )iamthatjack Wrote:  but there's in a difference in my mind!

And in your mind the difference is?

A whole new defence - get rid of them all and buy a lot to replace them

A new defence - a new look to the defence, freshen it up with some new players and only get rid of a few!

Maybe I should have been a bit clearer!

Come on mate a new defence or a whole new defence, it's the same thing especially when you back it up by going through the list of our defenders and saying only one of them is in any way good!! That would suggest we should be getting rid of all bar the one good defender, would it not??

I'll leave the debate at that coz i'm tired and i gotta work tomorrow or should i say later today. Ah f*ck,now i 'm being pedantic!!

In response to your question...Martin Kelly is not English. He is Scouse!!! ha ha

Why do fans of other teams keep coming out with, "You need to stop living in the past", errr aren't you the ones banging on about the 70's & 80's with this comment. Liverpool have never won the league in the Premier League era, thats 19 years & in that time we've finished 2nd about twice yet never really been in the title race with the realistic feeling of we might win it.

Jaime Carragher was never given a decent chance with England because Ferdinand & Terry play for who they play for & those two teams are successful in the Premier League & Liverpool aren't the same as now a days when both are fit Micheal Dawson won't get a look in or someone like Roger Johnson won't be given a chance.

Just like Steven Gerrard who at club level there isn't many if any at all better but because Liverpool don't compete for league titles he doesn't get the credit like Lampard & co & because of his versatility he's used by England on the left so Lampard can play centre.

My point being that players who are competing for league titles are always gonna be looked at & given credit over others players who are just as good if not better.

Your opinion on Daniel Agger & Martin Škrtel is as has been said your opinion but it's also a bit diabolical (In my opinion). Agger has had injuries over the past 18 months but so has Rio so whats your point. Yes Škrtel does like a wrestle when defending a corner but considering you say he's a poor man's Vidic well have you seen super Vid try to play against a player with pace...

Your trying to make out like our defence is shit, tell me a team who has the 100% perfect back 4 & subs. We need a first choice left back & over the next year or so depending on the progress of several youngster we may need a centre half.

Liverpool through & through but also a very passionate England fan by the way, I don't get it when people say they don't give a shit about England even if we are shit it's still England.

You can tell the football seasons getting close with the debates kicking in, welcome the the mad house iamthatjack

(14-07-2011 20:47 )iamthatjack Wrote:  

(14-07-2011 19:49 )Stillroom Rock Wrote:  Since moving to Dublin a few years ago I started going to League of Ireland matches, the Irish league runs from March to November so you get to see matches in June and July which is good because you dont miss any footie in the summer

Sounds cool, how's the quality of the football?

Btw, Fulham won 3-1 tonight, Briggs, Zamora and a Murphy penalty

The quality is pretty decent in my opnion probably on par with League Two or Scots League without the Old Firm.

The team I go to see are Shamrock Rovers who won the league last year and are involved in a pretty tight title race at the minute as well as being in the qualifying stages of the Champions League, they got a new stadium 2 years ago after having to ground share for over 20 years after their old ground was sold and went through some bad times, however things are looking up the last few season have been good and last year almost qualified for the Europa League only to be knocked out by Juventus.

They have a very good history and are Irelands most successful club winning 16 Leagues and 24 FAI (FA) Cups.

Having said all that I grew up in Reading so the Royals are my first team

(15-07-2011 00:04 )Master Yoda Wrote:  Come on mate a new defence or a whole new defence, it's the same thing especially when you back it up by going through the list of our defenders and saying only one of them is in any way good!! That would suggest we should be getting rid of all bar the one good defender, would it not??

I'll leave the debate at that coz i'm tired and i gotta work tomorrow or should i say later today. Ah f*ck,now i 'm being pedantic!!

In response to your question...Martin Kelly is not English. He is Scouse!!! ha ha

You know, I'll stick to my guns, I did run through your list of defenders and rip it apart, and I reckon you do need to improve your defence, a lot. You won't admit it because you're Scouse, but Carragher is definitely not good enough any more to be a starter for you - he needs replacing. Skrtel & Kyrgiakos are nothing special - you could easily buy better. That's where you need at least 2 centre backs. You have no left backs and your main right back is very average - playing for England means jack. Fair play you have a lot of youth players that have a lot of potential, so maybe they can step it up, but if expect to break into the top 4 like all Liverpool fans believe you will, you need to get your defence improved. Admittedly your midfield was the priority, where you have bought ok, but your defence now is gonna hold you back in your optimistic top 4 aspirations.

(15-07-2011 00:48 )mitchell Wrote:  Why do fans of other teams keep coming out with, "You need to stop living in the past", errr aren't you the ones banging on about the 70's & 80's with this comment. Liverpool have never won the league in the Premier League era, thats 19 years & in that time we've finished 2nd about twice yet never really been in the title race with the realistic feeling of we might win it.

Jaime Carragher was never given a decent chance with England because Ferdinand & Terry play for who they play for & those two teams are successful in the Premier League & Liverpool aren't the same as now a days when both are fit Micheal Dawson won't get a look in or someone like Roger Johnson won't be given a chance.

Just like Steven Gerrard who at club level there isn't many if any at all better but because Liverpool don't compete for league titles he doesn't get the credit like Lampard & co & because of his versatility he's used by England on the left so Lampard can play centre.

My point being that players who are competing for league titles are always gonna be looked at & given credit over others players who are just as good if not better.

Your opinion on Daniel Agger & Martin Škrtel is as has been said your opinion but it's also a bit diabolical (In my opinion). Agger has had injuries over the past 18 months but so has Rio so whats your point. Yes Škrtel does like a wrestle when defending a corner but considering you say he's a poor man's Vidic well have you seen super Vid try to play against a player with pace...

Your trying to make out like our defence is shit, tell me a team who has the 100% perfect back 4 & subs. We need a first choice left back & over the next year or so depending on the progress of several youngster we may need a centre half.

Liverpool through & through but also a very passionate England fan by the way, I don't get it when people say they don't give a shit about England even if we are shit it's still England.

You can tell the football seasons getting close with the debates kicking in, welcome the the mad house iamthatjack

Well the majority of Liverpool fans feel it is there divine right to be spoken about in the same breath as the top teams in the league because of what you did in the 70s and 80s, and if its not that, you are getting all excited about 'King Kenny' - a king for doing well when? Back in the good old days when Anfield was a fortress.

In complete truth, other than a few players (Reina, Gerrard, Suarez) you have a distinctly average team (Carroll, Adam & Henderson have a lot to prove) and yet you think you are gonna push up the league? If you do, its because of Arsenal regressing rather than you improving that much.

You now say Carragher couldn't get past Ferdinand and Terry, but before you said he was in the top 2 defensive defenders - so how does that work?

I'm surprised about what you say about Stevie G, I honestly feel like he gets a lot credit (justifiable credit at that) for carrying your team whenever they need the push, and the fact he plays on the left is more a testament to Lampard lack of versitility and the fact that Gerrard is much much better than Fat Frank.

Theres no need to go into an Agger vs Rio debate, there's a clear win, and he lives in Manchester. Fair play, Vidic isn't perfect, but he gets into a lot of peoples' team of the season for the last few years, or at least mentioned in its discussion, Skrtel will never be...ever. Nor will any of your defence, so again if you wanna compare the 2, Vidic will win every single time!

As I have said in this same post, fair enough, you have youth that can come in, but if you have hopes of breaking into the top 4, your defence will be the part now that holds you back (that and Arsenal regressing if they sell will help your cause!)

This is getting me so riled up for the season! Bring on August!

(15-07-2011 01:39 )Stillroom Rock Wrote:  The quality is pretty decent in my opnion probably on par with League Two or Scots League without the Old Firm.

The team I go to see are Shamrock Rovers who won the league last year and are involved in a pretty tight title race at the minute as well as being in the qualifying stages of the Champions League, they got a new stadium 2 years ago after having to ground share for over 20 years after their old ground was sold and went through some bad times, however things are looking up the last few season have been good and last year almost qualified for the Europa League only to be knocked out by Juventus.

They have a very good history and are Irelands most successful club winning 16 Leagues and 24 FAI (FA) Cups.

Having said all that I grew up in Reading so the Royals are my first team

Sounds like thats pretty decent football, especially when you can watch European football at the same time! Are tickets cheap for games? What about European ones?