Babestation Daytime - Chat & Discussion

(18-02-2024 13:46 )HannahsPet Wrote:  Interesting theres a sarah matty on wonder if it is the Sarah matty !!!

Yes it’s her and she hasn’t aged a day, still gorgeous

^^ I don't see my posts above as a leap. Unlike us boom, many posters simply prefer to focus on the immediate in all that they post. That doesn't mean the central, bigger, picture isn't implicit in what they type. karlmoore was saying the one babe he could see was not to his taste. He said why. You take his post as being all about that 'why'. But, to me, the why is a side issue. (And it's certainly irrelevant to what he was saying that there have been so few babes with proud body hair over the years. Though that is something to praise Flora for I agree.) To me, the telling thing is that his comment would not have been posted if he could have switched over to six other babes. It's a comment about lack of choice way more than it's about arm pits.

Anyway... I agree, this part is not worth having a long back and forth about. Far more interesting is the second half of your reply last night...

(18-02-2024 09:48 )Boomerangutangangbang Wrote:  ... No one wants adverts, live babes on fta tv with or without armpit hair would be preferable.
The BS business model & in particular Dayshows is all about camming, what we see on fta tv in terms of taking calls is a loss leader. The sad fact that we have rolling ads is a positive sign for the continuation of the shows, ie. money being made behind a paywall. That is what has driven the shows direction, along with a certain type of punter.
Rammy was a bit blunt in his reply, but what I watched yesterday was Flora & Lucie Jones on separate channels then later Alyssa Jay, & not an armpit in sight.
The ads is just a result of how the shows have evolved.
Compare to XP for example, old-school in many way, although it has it's own stand alone cam site. But they struggle to get babes into the studio & with just a phone option, they aren't very busy in general, Clara would be one exception.

This is something I've been meaning to post about for a while. The situation we've now moved to is (IMO) not one where fta TV is simply supporting the money made via camming, but, more, that the money made camming is keeping the fta TV sections we get 'on air' and active - financially speaking. (I suspect even the TV BS Nights could not stand on its own two feet at this point.)

I wouldn't use the term loss leader however. A loss leader is something a business could take away and, though it might affect their profitability, it wouldn't bring the business down by its removal. Whereas I genuinely feel there's a question over whether this is the case here. Is BS really in such a superior position to all other operators we've known that they could go online-only and survive? Or, is the situation a much weirder one than would happen in most other spheres of business? Does the babeshow customer require a fta TV element in order to feel their babes have the sort of standing and luster that puts them above all other similarly trading babes online? Is that the thing that makes them worth seeking out? Why do we go back time and again to these live babes in particular to turn over our hard-earned time and money? Is it the TV element that provides BS with a unique pull to its users? Could they survive in a sea of camming operators online without that? Would they have enough about them to maintain sufficient custom in such an environment? (Individual babes can leave the shows and have continued success online, via OF, etc., but that is very different from an entire collective pulling it off.)

(BS' business model has become all about manipulating demand. Telling guys they can only get what they want by spending in the ways BS wish them to. Manipulating the output in order to bring them the greatest $ in the shortest space of time. That is why I get so triggered by some poster's dismissive handwaving about 'oh just go online instead'. Like it's all very much the same thing. It could have been very much more similar on there but BS ensured it wasn't. They stacked the deck, removed/reduced elements that appealed to my kinks in order to strong-arm other guys into the idea things had to play out that way. And then they ask us to love what they've done with it all! The TV v. online conundrum remains the fly in their ointment however. The long-term affects of their manipulations on custom is also unclear. All I'd say is the industry does not have a good track record at satisfying the mass market and thus has turned more to a niche one. Maybe constant manipulation just takes longer to have a detrimental impact on a hardcore niche fan?)

If things are as we speculate as regards the TV output, why haven't BS made the move yet? Ego? Fear? I'd hope it's more of the latter. I'd hope that they see it's a TV presence maintains their relevance and grants their babes and platform the vibrancy, visibility and uniqueness they require. (If so, that makes TV and its output as relevant and important as ever to the shows.)

If not, it could well be a case of 'hair today, gone tomorrow!'

As for XP they clearly fear for the future of their TV channel. You don't get a prominent babe (Honey wasn't it?) saying how they could survive online if there's not a prospect of them having to try to do so. And her saying they started out online and could therefore do it again is not the save she thinks it is. (One, the circumstances around the shows were VERY different back then.... And two, surviving for a when starting out and then switching to TV is VERY different to coming off TV and trying to continue long-term on the web.)

(Interesting too, that even XP's babes are now playing up to the online studio cam whilst on TV. I feel they've recognised that BS may be missing a trick providing the close-up teasing element online that, say, pervcam provided when it first started. The price point of the studio cam is certainly ripe. Less per day than the price of a daily paper!)

^^^ Great post as always ShandyHand.

It does feel like BS don't care about TV/satellite and calls. Their focus and their babes focus seems to be on buzzes and cams.

I've seen night web babes write in their chatboxes that they'll talk dirty on a call. But won't put on a sexy performance during the call if they don't get buzzed too.

Punters paying £5 a pop for a PM from a babe is something BS and their babes love about being online.

Some punters probably only watch online to use the chatbox to talk to babes instead of only watching on TV.

And some may also watch online when they're out at work, or hiding in the bathroom from their family.

Because some punters might not be in a position to always watch the shows alone at home on TV.

The money some punters spend online is way more than BS and babes could make just from calls on TV.

So the situation now is that shows are shaped by punters that have the time to spend an arm and a leg on a babe.

Now I'll have a crack at answering some of your questions. I'd love to read everyone else's answers.

Is BS really in such a superior position to all other operators we've known that they could go online-only and survive?

I think they could survive, if they went online only because they make so much from buzzes and privates/perv.

Or, is the situation a much weirder one than would happen in most other spheres of business?

The only issue is that the camera quality and lighting is better in the studio, than most babes have at home.

Does the babeshow customer require a fta TV element in order to feel their babes have the sort of standing and luster that puts them above all other similarly trading babes online?

Personally speaking I'd prefer to watch a babe I'm attracted to online than any babe on BS just because she's on TV.

Is that the thing that makes them worth seeking out?

I'll search for an Ebony babe on another free cam site, if their isn't one on BS at the time when I've got the chance to watch a babe.

Why do we go back time and again to these live babes in particular to turn over our hard-earned time and money?

Some punters have probably built up a certain rapport with some babes over the past several years.

Also timezones, language barriers and national similarities might play a part in it too.

Is it the TV element that provides BS with a unique pull to its users?

TV might just be the gateway that some punters found when it all started 21 years ago.

With the advent of smart TVs some punters might watch online shows on their TVs now too.

Could they survive in a sea of camming operators online without that?

BS putting their babes on Streamate and Stripchat might be evidence that they could struggle globally.

But in the UK, I think BS could survive online only. The brand has become sort of an institution in the country.

Would they have enough about them to maintain sufficient custom in such an environment? (Individual babes can leave the shows and have continued success online, via OF, etc., but that is very different from an entire collective pulling it off.)

I think there will always be a new generation of punters ready to spend money watching BS.

As well as the current generation that will never stop watching and spending money.

If things are as we speculate as regards the TV output, why haven't BS made the move yet? Ego? Fear?

It might just be more out of laziness, more than fear or ego. They don't have to worry about OFCOM or XP.

Like they used to have to worry about S66/Elite TV, BangBabes, RLC, Sin TV and Bluebird.

And any energy they do have for innovation now is reserved for new online products like that VR porn game.

Which xp girls are playing up to the studio cam ? The past couple of times I’ve looked it was the same stream as tv feed

^ I only really tune in to them for bits between 10pm and 1am or so. (Sorry this discussion has to extend beyond the topic of the thread somewhat.) So a couple of night babes. And only when calls take a dip perhaps or maybe the caller themselves says they are on the studio cam. Intermittent atm but these things tend to grow.

^^^Thanks Ryuken. In some ways we take this subject far more seriously than it deserves, but to a few of us it's an externally fascinating one. The numerous questions I posed above were meant, largely, as rhetorical imponderables. We can put some meat on the bones of these intangible quandaries, re. what sustains the shows, but... ultimately, the extent to which each of them impacts is unpindownable. Worse some factors are interconnected and the impact shifts in their interplay.

(18-02-2024 23:57 )ryuken Wrote:  I've seen night web babes write in their chatboxes that they'll talk dirty on a call. But won't put on a sexy performance during the call if they don't get buzzed too.

Punters paying £5 a pop for a PM from a babe is something BS and their babes love about being online.

We see far too much of this sort of thing. It's symptomatic of the distance we've moved from the traditional show era. These are simply babes who have no knowledge, understanding and/or respect for what some of us continue to insist should be the basics of the service. It may sound harsh but we've come to this because such thinking has been enabled by too many simping users. Technology has enabled the industry to target these people in ways that just weren't available in the formative years of the shows.

This sort of poor 'industry attitude/thinking' is what brought 66 to an end. They listened to too much of it from (some of) their babes at the time - in restricting guys who could see the streans to regular payers alone for one - and thinking they could do without TV's exposure. So, yes, 66 were mismanaged at the end but from what I hear that mismanagement, in large part, focused around listening to the wrong people and neglecting the wrong things when times got tough.

(An example: Part of any stream's effectiveness is the room's vibe. All punters contribute to that vibe. In their chat, in their excitement, their payments; in their very presence. Punters of all spending capabilities iow. If they are contributing to a positive vibe, they are positive contributors. 66's website rules ignored that fact completely. Gradually, over its last few months, their site became a ghost town of inactivity as the rot set in. No punter is gonna spend on a site/stream that FEELS unpopular and/or unwelcoming... The spiraling downturn in activity is what actually kills an operator in the end. Cashflow dries; creditors can't be paid and then puff, gone. The end bit is obvious, palpable - with hindsight at the very least - but with what unthinking decisions does it start? When does a downturn become irreversible? I think it's actually founded in the sort of unrepentantly bad attitude you evidence here Ryuken. Too much of it and are you're on the way to the end.)

(18-02-2024 23:57 )ryuken Wrote:  Some punters probably only watch online to use the chatbox to talk to babes instead of only watching on TV.

And some may also watch online when they're out at work, or hiding in the bathroom from their family.

Because some punters might not be in a position to always watch the shows alone at home on TV.

The money some punters spend online is way more than BS and babes could make just from calls on TV.

So the situation now is that shows are shaped by punters that have the time to spend an arm and a leg on a babe.

All of this is spot on I'm sure. But these are arguments for a healthy online service not an end to a TV or TV-like one. (I'm aware some of the elements I'm advocating for could be achieved by an output of more traditional "TV-like" services on the web. But the industry seems to have said to its babes that the web is their domain. I'm not sure there's the will to put out that sort of structured service there - let alone with a proper schedule... Others of my points are founded in the visibility and relative lack of competition of the TV arena. Iow, it's not the delivery device or system that's key, it's the context that surrounds it.)

(18-02-2024 23:57 )ryuken Wrote:  ... Personally speaking I'd prefer to watch a babe I'm attracted to online than any babe on BS just because she's on TV. ...

I'll search for an Ebony babe on another free cam site, if their isn't one on BS at the time when I've got the chance to watch a babe.

Interesting that you look to BS first, not an online cam site. Would you say that's purely out of nostalgic habit? Would a majority of newbie punters do the same? Or does BS have to 'win' them from the arms of the cam sites first?

(18-02-2024 23:57 )ryuken Wrote:  Some punters have probably built up a certain rapport with some babes over the past several years.

Also timezones, language barriers and national similarities might play a part in it too.

For sure.

(18-02-2024 23:57 )ryuken Wrote:  TV might just be the gateway that some punters found when it all started 21 years ago.

With the advent of smart TVs some punters might watch online shows on their TVs now too.

Yes, we will soon be at a point where all TV comes down an internet connection, or via some app or other. As I said above, the exact method is unimportant to my central point. It's the exceptional position a mainstream high-profile service delivered to the main box in your living room (in the same way as the freakin' BBC for goodness sake) holds in a guy's psyche that I'm talking about. Against that, the lost in the golbal reeds place BS would assume as just one more Adult provider, if it went online-only, looks tuppenny-ha'penny. As RLC and s66 found out, it gives the impression to existing customers of giving up! It was a distinct part of both company's downfalls IMO.

Without TV BS would - of course - also lose the direct in the moment cross-over sales where a TV babe sells something online as a direct result of being seen on TV. (It would also be without the direct pull to guys of it's Nights schedule. Guys are drawn to the platform by that nightly line-up. There is no such unified pull in the unstructured world of camming.)

(18-02-2024 23:57 )ryuken Wrote:  ... BS putting their babes on Streamate and Stripchat might be evidence that they could struggle globally.

But in the UK, I think BS could survive online only. The brand has become sort of an institution in the country. ...

I think there will always be a new generation of punters ready to spend money watching BS.

As well as the current generation that will never stop watching and spending money.

They seem to see the need to affiliate with solidly founded online companies, yes.

I agree too that there's likely a generational thing at play here. The BS brand's pull is perhaps not what it was, but there's still a large recognition factor at play as things stand. Older punters have more expectations born of a familiarity with the shows as they once were. But then you'd expect that younger less call-orientated punters would be more familiar with the general fta-focus of the internet only providers like MFC and CB. I can only conclude BS have - for the moment at least - convinced enough guys that what they do is special enough to justify the difference (i.e. near everything paywalled) in how they do things online! Would that difference be so excusable without the defense of "these are TV quality babes"?

And here's a provocative thought: Is the current internet generation of babeshow punters a more simping one, on average, than the old school punter?!

(18-02-2024 23:57 )ryuken Wrote:  ... It might just be more out of laziness, more than fear or ego. They don't have to worry about OFCOM or XP.

Like they used to have to worry about S66/Elite TV, BangBabes, RLC, Sin TV and Bluebird.

I agree, intransigence is usually a big factor in such things. I've argued before that lack of competition will prove bad for BS too in the end, it will dry the well. And the UK regulators are now gunning for the web in a big way, yes. TV apps and smart services will not be immune. (The plans have already been announced. ) But regardless, BS will just look to convince guys that the new censorship is another reason they have to pay more to see what they want to see! They wont change from this trick unless guys show they have wised-up to it by spending less.

(18-02-2024 23:57 )ryuken Wrote:  And any energy they do have for innovation now is reserved for new online products like that VR porn game.

Again, agreed: Plus, when innovating, BS will always look to see it doesn't come at the detriment of guys' spending elsewhere.

^^^Thanks ShandyHand. Here is a better place to talk about this stuff instead of at the canteen at work or at the dinner table with friends and family

"Sorry for falling asleep boss and not doing my work, I was up all night watching babestation"

"Sorry love I know I said I'd take you and the kids to Disneyland but I spent the money on Babestation"

I appreciate all the stuff punters put on here from the shows and social media but the conversations and opinions are my favourite thing about the forum.

It may sound harsh but we've come to this because such thinking has been enabled by too many simping users.

Yes, for example, Tegan Jade lies on her bed at home doing nothing except for playing on her phone and still gets loads of buzzes.

Part of any stream's effectiveness is the room's vibe. All punters contribute to that vibe. In their chat, in their excitement, their payments; in their very presence.

I recently read this review of BS that was written by an American that ranked them 21st out of 39 camsites.

In the half-hour or so since I started, Charley hasn’t done anything sexy. She’s got a pretty face and her cleavage is making my mouth water, but she’s been talking to somebody off-camera the whole time and the audience hasn’t tipped her enough to even flash her tits.

I wish I knew how they were sorted, though, since the easiest way to find the free sex shows is to look for the rooms with the most spectators. In a crowded show, there are usually enough monied motherfuckers throwing coins into the hat to keep the girls happy and keep the audience even happier.

While I still wasn’t able to figure out how many people were watching, at least I now knew Babestation.tv really does have free sex shows. The topless girl with the enormous boobies I saw next confirmed it again. Every sex cam site out there promises free nudity, but they only deliver when the site has enough traffic to support it. In this case, cheapskates can rejoice while masturbating at the library.

She was one of the only girls who was actually talking to the room instead of waiting for a call.

Babestation’s biggest weakness is the overall small number of camgirls compared to sites like Chaturbate. It was evening in London when I fap-tested the joint, and I only had a few dozen chicks to choose from.

The only other minor issue I ran into was a slight lag in the communications systems. If I tipped, buzzed, or typed a message into the chat, it always took a few seconds before it came through on the other end.

it's not the delivery device or system that's key, it's the context that surrounds it.

I agree. The effect that some whales and simps have had on shows via the chatbox has negatively reduced the fun and sexy atmosphere.

You can't even ask a simple question in some babes' chatboxes without some deluded fanboy quickly telling you to buzz or go private.

Interesting that you look to BS first, not an online cam site. Would you say that's purely out of nostalgic habit? Would a majority of newbie punters do the same? Or does BS have to 'win' them from the arms of the cam sites first?

I guess it's more out of habit and also the lack of a schedule on other cam sites. But online email notifications help.

If a newbie punter is from the UK their introduction to camsites would likely be via BS and watching for free.

But a newbie UK punter might now be more likely to spend his first paycheque on an OF babe's subscription, than a BS babe's phonecall.

Also it would be interesting to know if a new babe looking to start her career would rather do OF than doing BS.

Social media babes like Elle Brooke are possibly more influential on potential new babes' careers than Alice Goodwin.

A new young babe looking to get into this industry might do instagram and onlyfans, rather than doing BS.

Most of BS' popular babes might now be in their late 30s-early 40s. And most punters are probably in their 50s-60s.

So BS are not only going to have to think about the next generation of punter but maybe also the next generation of babes too.

Without TV BS would - of course - also lose the direct in the moment cross-over sales where a TV babe sells something online as a direct result of being seen on TV. (It would also be without the direct pull to guys of it's Nights schedule. Guys are drawn to the platform by that nightly line-up. There is no such unified pull in the unstructured world of camming.)

You're right. It's like how babes from Page 3 and lads mags were so popular at the start of the channels.

Because their fans followed them to the channels. Hence Goodwin and Claydon still being so popular.

The lack of structure and scheduling in camming is a good point. Punters on BS know that if they turn on their TV after going to the pub.

They'll see a babe with her tits out, or if they've got a hangover in the morning, a babe will be wearing skimpy clothing.

But with other cam sites their babes will have their tits and pussy on FTA 24/7 instead of just PPV.

A lot of babes from the past are still successful doing PPV shows on BSCams, rather than FTA BS web shows from home.

But then you'd expect that younger less call-orientated punters would be more familiar with the general fta-focus of the internet only providers like MFC and CB.

Younger punters probably like the FTA focus of MFC and CB, and only like the price of calls on BS due to cost of living crisis.

Rather than spending on privates and buzzes like the older generation, who have a more disposable income.

Would that difference be so excusable without the defense of "these are TV quality babes"?

The standard of "TV quality babes" has evolved slightly since the start of the channels in 2002.

Babes used to look boob job busty like Pamela Anderson. Now they look lip filler and BBL curvy like the Kardashian/Jenners.

And here's a provocative thought: Is the current internet generation of babeshow punters a more simping one, on average, than the old school punter?!

Simps probably fall into three categories.

Young ones that have never had sex, middle-aged ones that don't enjoy the sex they're having and old ones that will never have sex again.

So the channels are their only outlet for getting some sort of fulfilling sexual interaction or attention from a woman.

BS will just look to convince guys that the new censorship is another reason they have to pay more to see what they want to see! They wont change from this trick unless guys show they have wised-up to it by spending less.

I'd love to see it happen but there's no way some punters are going to spend less money, let alone stop completely.

BS' leaderboard might be their greatest innovation because it stupidly got punters competing with each other to spend more money.

Again, agreed: Plus, when innovating, BS will always look to see it doesn't come at the detriment of guys' spending elsewhere.

True. I remember when they made BS Fans in an attempt to compete with OF but they failed.

Eventually they'll copy wheel spins and gold menus from Streamate like they did with Gold Shows.

Even simple free SFW stuff like the option one podcast and the babestation show struggle.

When they could easily copy other sexy SFW youtube babes by doing try on haul videos instead.

Their promotion of Shorts on here appears slightly desperate in terms of trying to get us to watch, like and comment on them.

Soon they'll be asking us to pay £5 to watch a SFW short of a babe begging us to watch their FTA show

Am I the only one that has lost bs daytime signal on Freesat since about 12pm today? I still get xpanded but no babestation!

(26-02-2024 17:18 )karlmoore7 Wrote:  Am I the only one that has lost bs daytime signal on Freesat since about 12pm today? I still get xpanded but no babestation!

According to kingofsat the channel is no longer available on satellite in Europe

Seriously?!!! Since when (I'm guessing this morning) so your saying it can't be received in the UK on Freesat no more?!