Who ruined the channels?

Most punters think the channels aren't as good as they used to be, and it got me thinking who is responsible.

The "suspects" I listed and the "reasons" are not important. I'm just interested in reading different opinions.

So please don't think I know it all or I'm being disrespectful to anyone. I just want the shows to be good again and VFM.

OFCOM - for placing too many restrictions on FTA, like what babes can do and wear.

The channels - for trying to bleed money out of punters in every single way possible.

The producers - for being unable to use a camera, lighting and sound equipment.

The websites - for allowing babes to see who is watching and how much money they've got.

The babes - for doing the bare minimum and not engaging with or enticing punters.

Recorders - some babes say they're why they don't show their face in PPV.

Freeloaders - some babes say they're why they don't do anything sexy on FTA.

Fanboys - for praising babes for doing the most mundane things.

Whales - for spending silly money and making prices rise.

Spammers - for pestering a babe in the chatbox with numerous questions.

Personally I think OFCOM and the channels should take the blame for ruining the channels.

But after having spoken to numerous babes over the years they've said

That sometimes a small number of punters have overstepped the mark sometimes, and then ruined it for everyone else.

Yep... It was the paying customers fault... Not the people who encouraged them

I would agree you get certain punters who expect something for nothing. but at least now I stick to babes who know me well enough that i'm someone who they like having around.

I think the morning/dayshows have been ruined by allowing the girls to go private whenever they want, for as long as they want. That leaves us with rolling adverts for hours on end, and no hints of when a girl will be back on screen. It's a rediculous way to run a TV channel.

(17-10-2023 22:00 )ryuken Wrote:  {snip}

I think you nailed it. Everything you mentioned help ruin the channels in some way.

The girls is the answer sadly to many have took every opportunity and used every excuse they can to get out of putting on a proper show,
The channels are complaisant in this as they have gone along with it to many think they need to keep the girls happy at all costs and not manage them to get the best results for the channel, I give u 66 were the inmates ran the asylum into the ground, and bs were there was huge resistance to fta tip goals which now sees them as the only cam channel restricted by a rule change that most others took no head of,
To many have gotten used to begging for money for very little back and sadly it's this I am alright jack attitude were a girl has made what she wanted today not bothered if growing the channel for the future, that's why they are not attracting lots of new fans and as older fans drift away they are just not replaced,
Back when bs started they used to tell the girls everyone watching for free is a potential customer now go and put a show on and get them interacting , sadly that idea the channels were built on is now gone

Trouble is for most on that list, things are not 'ruined' at all. Certainly for the babes and channels things have never been easier to rinse said fanboys and whales for doing a lot less than would've before.

It's never been better for them

All of the above.

Ofcom, new tech and OF created the playing field. The babes took advantage in a way people tend to do when they are over-indulged. Once enough babes were of the same mindset it must've been difficult for the channels to say 'no' (even if they had any inclination to do so). And too many silly fanboys (still - even when we are down to just one majpr operator) can't see they are being played. (If there's one single reason why former payers no longer pay into the shows it's the disenfranchisment that results from a continued sense of being played. Iow, getting less effective and more babe-defined content than their money should've granted them - and on a regular basis. The babe taking total control of what happens and where... or the guy, otherwise, not getting what he was after; rinse and repeat this enough and most punters will stop playing, eventually.)

After several years build up of this, the industry has now virtually forgotten it's supposed to seek mass appeal, thinking they'll always be enough niche idiots to keep it all ticking over. The harakiri of Sin, RLC, S66 and other fallen operators says different though. Their legacy presents the evidence that keeping a healthy, fully productive, engagement with the mass (UK TV) audience is utterly essential to the future of the shows. Trouble is too many babes have gotten disdainful of TV/calls work (as callers have been short-changed and their numbers fallen ever further). All too many of theses babes now just fart about on TV, simply waiting to earn whenever they can skulk off-camera - else they simply refuse to work on the box in the first place. And yet everything, seemingly, continues to play into their hands while they do the shows down like this.

Publicly, in the circs, insiders are always going to blame external factors for any decline. (If the shows were properly successful the factors these babes point to would be small beer to them; it's only because the now increasingly niche market they work in is prone to be effected by every little eddy of demand that these things assume a disproportionate importance.) No one at BS would want to point a finger at their immediate peers even if they see the truth. We are where we are precisely because the industry, in large part, is in denial that the negative they are creating will eventually outweigh the positive - for everyone involved.

(17-10-2023 22:00 )ryuken Wrote:  Most punters think the channels aren't as good as they used to be, and it got me thinking who is responsible.

The "suspects" I listed and the "reasons" are not important. I'm just interested in reading different opinions.

So please don't think I know it all or I'm being disrespectful to anyone. I just want the shows to be good again and VFM.

[b]OFCOM - for placing too many restrictions on FTA, like what babes can do and wear.[/b]

The channels - for trying to bleed money out of punters in every single way possible.

The producers - for being unable to use a camera, lighting and sound equipment.

The websites - for allowing babes to see who is watching and how much money they've got.

The babes - for doing the bare minimum and not engaging with or enticing punters.

Recorders - some babes say they're why they don't show their face in PPV.

Freeloaders - some babes say they're why they don't do anything sexy on FTA.

Fanboys - for praising babes for doing the most mundane things.

Whales - for spending silly money and making prices rise.

Spammers - for pestering a babe in the chatbox with numerous questions.

Personally I think OFCOM and the channels should take the blame for ruining the channels.

But after having spoken to numerous babes over the years they've said

That sometimes a small number of punters have overstepped the mark sometimes, and then ruined it for everyone else.

The options I have highlighted, to me, are the main reasons, but I can well understand the girls point of view that some overstep the mark, either through being demanding or disrespecting also!

Just on the freeloaders thing,- I guess I could reasonably be included in that as a mere watcher (introduce texting, or at night the other form and that would change) - however, the definition of 'doing anything sexy' means different things to different people. To me, even on the daytime, I could point to occasions when I have seen (bias on my part?? perhaps) the girls be uber sexy, and to an extent that - and I have mentioned this before - they could carry on during the 9.00 pm plus adult time slot, and be much more appealing quite often than the normal output then.

NB Given my experience of texting - relating to my suggestion for getting involved rather than just watching -to the advertised numbers to 'quote' interact with ''your favourite' babe, I can say that is the proverbial piss- take! I know for a fact - through deliberately throwing in to the texting 'conversation' things that only the real girl I intended to contact would know - that the reply did not come from her at all, as the answer/response was far removed from the one I know I would have received to the question posed, by the real girl. I won't mention her name obviously! This is something I wish the authorities would get involved in 'investigating' as the 'gullible' (I admit I was on that one occasion) are being 'fleeced' in such circumstances, and, undoubtedly, others as well - it also unfairly gives a bad name to the individual girls! Others have mentioned the paywall TV output, where tips have gone unanswered in the form of NOT meeting expectations?? Is that not 'stealing'?? as money has been taken under false pretences??

I hate to rake over old ground here but for a few years there I really enjoyed playing Babe Channel Journalist and writing about What'sername and disputing it with you lot.

I think the point is that society has moved on. It was old fashioned when it was going strong and these days it's dead. Lusting after strippers isn't a topic of conversation for the dinner table or at school.

I've replaced S66 and Co with a couple of other things. Firstly I write for Guinness Is Smiley where me and another bloke are putting up articles about the BBC's two John le Carre adaptations starring Alec Guinness. Secondly I play journalist writing on social media about The Surfrajettes who are, I'm sure, going to be the next big thing.

I expect lots of you read other forums and dabble on the interweb yourselves and we probably don't need the channels as much as we used to. I still keep the two BS channels on my EPG for old time's sake but I can't remember the last time I watched it for more than 30 seconds.

I do think that we men have lost something though. Our womenfolk have got Strictly and all those cooking and reality programmes and endless soaps. I'd have been happy with a not very porn kinda magazine show on S66 but I suspect that they wouldn't have been able to find a business model for it. Apparently that's the type of model that you need these days.