Thomas Tuchel as England manager

As a Chelsea supporter, I followed him a lot when he was in charge at Stamford Bridge.

Solid tactician, brave decision-making, and — by all accounts — a good man-manager. All positives for England.

Rumours swirl around his sacking, potentially involving some “salacious” and “eye watering” off-field antics. I never heard the actual details though? Can anyone here enlighten me?

I wish him luck, he'll need it. Not starting until the new year, so still time for him to lose it. Can't be worse than Fat Sam Allardyce though, surely?

Media are already turning on him fucking neville and carragher

Neville in paticular should shut the fuck up with his coaching record !!

remember he was assistant under Hodgson that lost to iceland

if we had managed to sign pep or klopp they would be creaming there pants

(16-10-2024 10:41 )Goodfella3041 Wrote:  As a Chelsea supporter, I followed him a lot when he was in charge at Stamford Bridge.

Solid tactician, brave decision-making, and — by all accounts — a good man-manager. All positives for England.

Rumours swirl around his sacking, potentially involving some “salacious” and “eye watering” off-field antics. I never heard the actual details though? Can anyone here enlighten me?

I wish him well and do hope he is the one to to put the positive tactics back into England, and I think he feels needs to show those now in charge at Chelsea what he can really do & and I don't think he was given a fair oppotunity to develop the team and maybe with England he can.

I think we have a interesting ride ahead with him as manager.

(16-10-2024 13:25 )HannahsPet Wrote:  Media are already turning on him fucking neville and carragher

Neville in paticular should shut the fuck up with his coaching record !!

remember he was assistant under Hodgson that lost to iceland

if we had managed to sign pep or klopp they would be creaming there pants

I do think some ex England players aren't likely going to to be happy with his appointment.

Carragher and Neville need to shut up/

The disapproval of Carragher and Neville is equivalent to a ringing endorsement from somebody really good.

(16-10-2024 10:41 )Goodfella3041 Wrote:  As a Chelsea supporter, I followed him a lot when he was in charge at Stamford Bridge.

Solid tactician, brave decision-making, and — by all accounts — a good man-manager. All positives for England.

Rumours swirl around his sacking, potentially involving some “salacious” and “eye watering” off-field antics. I never heard the actual details though? Can anyone here enlighten me?

This podcast speaks to The Athletic's German correspondant followed by their Chelsea correspondant on Tuchel's time at Bayern & in the PL. Fast forward to 24 mins 53 secs to hear these parts specifically but the TLDR is that whilst he is an elite tactician he is a bad man manager, that when things were bad at Chelsea he was quite brutal in his attitude towards the players, particularly the attacking ones. He would leave them out or play them out of position with no communication as to why, how they could get back in the team or what he wanted them to do in a different position.

Lukaku was the most vocal in public giving an interview to Sky Italia but it is believed that his sentiments were shared by numerous other players and when Clearlake took over one of the many issues they had was that many of Chelsea's attacking players were asking to leave specifically to get away from Tuchel

Whilst there was not as much detail about his time at Bayern it is believed to be a similar story where his relationship with his players & the club hierarchy was seen to be frought.

A more interesting question is why there aren't more English managers who would make credible candidates?

One of the things that irritated me about the Neville / Carragher analysis is their failure to see a basic contradiction…

They give the premiere league a “pass” on foreign managers, because this is a domestic league with plenty of foreign players, so there’s no harm in having foreign coaches. The Premier League — that’s a different story.

Then they lament the fact that there are no credible English managers for the England job.

Well, how is an English manager supposed to build up some credibility if they are shut out from all the top jobs? If they had given the job to a Graham Potter or an Eddie Howe, these same guys would have been saying: “But this is the top job in English football, and these guys ‘haven’t won anything’”.

It’s a no-win situation.

All of that said, I do hold English managers responsible for one aspect of this. The persistent cultural snobbery that it’s better to take an assistant position at Man City than it is to take the top job Salernitana. The penny has finally dropped for players that they can get to the England team faster if they play outside of England … but the memo doesn’t seem to have circulated around St George’s Park.

(22-10-2024 12:27 )William H Bonney Wrote:  A more interesting question is why there aren't more English managers who would make credible candidates?

I agree with that absolutely.
That being said I'm happy to give Tuchel his chance.
Case of see how it goes.