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RE: World Cup 2014 Brasil - Joey 27 - 19-06-2014 22:58
(19-06-2014 22:41 )whorelover Wrote: I don't get the Rooney criticism, yes he didn't defend well against Italy but he assisted the goal with a wonderful cross and then he scored today. A goal and an assist in two games, not bad, is it? Meanwhile, Sterling dribbles past someone then falls over or picks the wrong pass/cross. Henderson does nothing at all, doesn't create, can't tackle, nothing. Gerrard at his best is awesome, but he's been poor so far. Jagielka and Baines are average as well.henderson is what they call a passenger, gerrard is much better in his old position where he bursts forward and shoots he's done fuck all so far, why not give lampard a try against costa rica or start barkley
What I'm trying to say is, too many average players from Merseyside. And the best one from Merseyside was playing for Uruguay
RE: World Cup 2014 Brasil - hugh_g_rection - 19-06-2014 23:13
(19-06-2014 22:48 )Joey 27 Wrote: we lost against a country that has 3 million people in it FFS
I get why this seems strange. But remember, China don't have the best football team in the world. And India don't have the 2nd best.
It's generally about whether your country provides the environment and exposure to the game, for footballers to achieve excellence. And honestly, it's just not here.
Where South America has favelas, endless hours and space for kids to grow up kicking a football about... England has a 'No Ball Games' signpost on every spare patch of grass in the land. Our academies are improving, but they're now teaching the overseas players ahead of our own.
English footballers are NOT born inferior to Spanish kids, German kids, Italian kids. I sound like a broken record, but we have been culturing the talent OUT of our kids. This World Cup was the first in a long time that I have even seen an actual attempt to play decent attacking football. But the amount of English players getting a look-in at club level is low (20-30something%, and still dropping.
We need to redress the balance. The foreign players should be the minority, NOT ours.
I'm not a doom-monger, but my worry is not 'Will we ever win a World Cup again', but will we even get to play in one again?
RE: World Cup 2014 Brasil - William H Bonney - 19-06-2014 23:25
(19-06-2014 22:14 )Fernandez Esperenda Wrote: where is stat head william?
Maybe he can find out the highest number of players from one club to face each other in an international match is.. I think there was 8 liverpool players tonight.
The answer is 12 from Dynamo Kiev followed by 11 from Torino.
RE: World Cup 2014 Brasil - whorelover - 19-06-2014 23:40
(19-06-2014 22:58 )Joey 27 Wrote:(19-06-2014 22:41 )whorelover Wrote: I don't get the Rooney criticism, yes he didn't defend well against Italy but he assisted the goal with a wonderful cross and then he scored today. A goal and an assist in two games, not bad, is it? Meanwhile, Sterling dribbles past someone then falls over or picks the wrong pass/cross. Henderson does nothing at all, doesn't create, can't tackle, nothing. Gerrard at his best is awesome, but he's been poor so far. Jagielka and Baines are average as well.henderson is what they call a passenger, gerrard is much better in his old position where he bursts forward and shoots he's done fuck all so far, why not give lampard a try against costa rica or start barkley
What I'm trying to say is, too many average players from Merseyside. And the best one from Merseyside was playing for Uruguay
I'd start with Gerrard and Wilshere as the holding players with Barkley instead of wellbeck.
RE: World Cup 2014 Brasil - William H Bonney - 19-06-2014 23:46
(19-06-2014 22:06 )JamesStandford Wrote: ^^^ Wonder if Januzaj would have made it into the starting 11 if he choose England?
The answer is no.
If Januzaj had chosen England the earliest he would be qualified to play an international match would have been February 2018.
RE: World Cup 2014 Brasil - whorelover - 19-06-2014 23:46
(19-06-2014 23:13 )hugh_g_rection Wrote:(19-06-2014 22:48 )Joey 27 Wrote: we lost against a country that has 3 million people in it FFS
I get why this seems strange. But remember, China don't have the best football team in the world. And India don't have the 2nd best.
It's generally about whether your country provides the environment and exposure to the game, for footballers to achieve excellence. And honestly, it's just not here.
Where South America has favelas, endless hours and space for kids to grow up kicking a football about... England has a 'No Ball Games' signpost on every spare patch of grass in the land. Our academies are improving, but they're now teaching the overseas players ahead of our own.
English footballers are NOT born inferior to Spanish kids, German kids, Italian kids. I sound like a broken record, but we have been culturing the talent OUT of our kids. This World Cup was the first in a long time that I have even seen an actual attempt to play decent attacking football. But the amount of English players getting a look-in at club level is low (20-30something%, and still dropping.
We need to redress the balance. The foreign players should be the minority, NOT ours.
I'm not a doom-monger, but my worry is not 'Will we ever win a World Cup again', but will we even get to play in one again?
Agreed on the population thing and academies. Disagree with the rest.
Most of the top south american teams have players that don't play in their own domestic leagues, or its like Mexicans playing in the Brazilian league, so the lack of international starters in the premier league isn't the problem. The problem is, they're not good enough to be regular starters, let alone play for Barca or Bayern. Simply making the premier league more english, won't help the national team. You'll just have a bunch of Henderson's and Cleverly's running around. The issues is the FA, academies and our general mindset.
My ex gf is taking her coaching badges so she can coach a local U21 womens team and she says she's unimpressed with what they're told is considered 'talent'. Basically, they favour physicality and pace (both of which aren't bad things) over technique-that needs to change.
RE: World Cup 2014 Brasil - straw man - 20-06-2014 00:04
(19-06-2014 17:00 )Mellow Wrote: I see Alan Hansen has come out of retirement to be a BBC pundit, as if they don't have enough out there.
Alan Hansen didn't come out of retirement because he was never retired in the first place. He quit Match Of The Day at the end of last season and will quit the BBC entirely after the World Cup, but he has no intention of retiring.
RE: World Cup 2014 Brasil - mikedafc - 20-06-2014 00:31
Mexico only got into a play off in qualifying with New Zealand thanks to USA scoring 2 late goals against Panama, Fernandez, expected Brazil to win despite their keeper having a good game.
(19-06-2014 21:44 )Fernandez Esperenda Wrote:(19-06-2014 21:41 )HannahsPet Wrote:(19-06-2014 21:30 )Fernandez Esperenda Wrote:(19-06-2014 21:00 )Starblade Wrote: .
English football needs a re-design. Until the amount of foreign owners, managers and players is reduced in the premier league, we will continue to see poor performances from the national team.
Football needs a re-design in relation to its ethics. It's no longer possible for the referee to manage 20 players cheating - like a mother trying to manage 20 squabbling children. Name one other mainstream sport where cheating is so prevalent and encouraged?
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Nobody cheated tonight... The better team with the best player won.. Hodgeson is tactically a poor manager...
How was he tatically poor played all the players in there natural positions who played well only to be beaten by 2 world class strikers in Ballotelli and Suarez both of which who have played or play for our top 4 clubs so know how our systems work and how to exploit them
id be more concerned about your team fernandez a nil nil against a team 17 places below u in the rankings hardley world class team is it
We are talking about england and roy hodgeson, not Brasil, stop trying to turn things around, we have 4 points you have 0 you need to worry not me lol
Clearly you haven't seen mexico play because they would walk all over England anyway..
RE: World Cup 2014 Brasil - dominar rygel xvi - 20-06-2014 00:32
(19-06-2014 22:41 )feetlover1 Wrote: I'm getting pissed off with so called fans trying to blame one person instead of the whole team.
I'm not saying it was all Gerrard's fault, because other players were obviously culpable too. But the fact is that Gerrard was responsible in a big way for both of Uruguay's goals. He blundered for the first goal by losing the ball, allowing Lodeiro to feed Cavani who crossed for Suarez to head in. But it's the assist he gave Suarez for the second goal with such a nice flick on that will live longer in people's memories. He's an obvious weak link in the team and at the end of this World Cup I expect him to do the decent thing and retire from international football.
RE: World Cup 2014 Brasil - Fernandez Esperenda - 20-06-2014 00:36
(20-06-2014 00:31 )mikedafc Wrote: Mexico only got into a play off in qualifying with New Zealand thanks to USA scoring 2 late goals against Panama, Fernandez, expected Brazil to win despite their keeper having a good game.
(19-06-2014 21:44 )Fernandez Esperenda Wrote:(19-06-2014 21:41 )HannahsPet Wrote:(19-06-2014 21:30 )Fernandez Esperenda Wrote:(19-06-2014 21:00 )Starblade Wrote: .
English football needs a re-design. Until the amount of foreign owners, managers and players is reduced in the premier league, we will continue to see poor performances from the national team.
Football needs a re-design in relation to its ethics. It's no longer possible for the referee to manage 20 players cheating - like a mother trying to manage 20 squabbling children. Name one other mainstream sport where cheating is so prevalent and encouraged?
.
Nobody cheated tonight... The better team with the best player won.. Hodgeson is tactically a poor manager...
How was he tatically poor played all the players in there natural positions who played well only to be beaten by 2 world class strikers in Ballotelli and Suarez both of which who have played or play for our top 4 clubs so know how our systems work and how to exploit them
id be more concerned about your team fernandez a nil nil against a team 17 places below u in the rankings hardley world class team is it
We are talking about england and roy hodgeson, not Brasil, stop trying to turn things around, we have 4 points you have 0 you need to worry not me lol
Clearly you haven't seen mexico play because they would walk all over England anyway..
I have seen Brasil play Mexico enough times and it is usually a very close game, Mexico are a very hard team to play against, yes they didn't have the best qualifying but they now have belief when they are in the tournament.