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RE: US Election & Presidency - MR PERFECT - 23-02-2017 18:25
(23-02-2017 16:41 )wackawoo Wrote:(23-02-2017 15:58 )MR PERFECT Wrote: Everyone deserves to be treated with respect and dignity.
Everyone?
What a surprise you have a problem with that. Your a Trumpster troll and nothing else.
RE: US Election & Presidency - wackawoo - 23-02-2017 18:38
(23-02-2017 17:11 )munch1917 Wrote: If there is an issue with someone with 'male parts' entering a female bathroom, what about the situation with a post-op female?
One of the original cases that triggered this off was a state attempting to 'force' people to use the bathroom according to the sex of their birth, so a post-op female, must use a female bathroom, despite now having male genitalia. Apparently the same 'awkward' paradox!
As for using the disabled toilets as an alternative, frankly, that is no better than having people of colour use a different restroom to the whites, or sit at the back of the bus! It was precisely to avoid this kind of fucked up, neanderthal thinking and treat people as equal human beings that this ruling was brought in.
The stance of the Obama administration on this issue was a great step forward for the transgender community not just in the US, but it sent a message across the world, and was particularly significant for the young trans community that is was directed at, who are even more vulnerable.
In a stroke, that forward step has been taken away, and the trans youth of america must be made to feel less safe, somehow 'different, maybe 'wrong', and that is something that will affect them for the rest of their lives.
Another victory for prejudice, but hopefully just a temporary one.
I'll reply to Skully when I have had time to read it all.
Sex of the birth is not what we are talking about here, the article I posted was about identity. You may or may not have had GRS you just have to identify yourself with a certain gender.
It's pretty clear I am talking about pre op, where they ARE physiological and genetically males, dispite what they themselevs feel. Post op they are females, full out no arguments and laws prohibiting transgender females entering a toilet (if there actually could be) would be wholey wrong. That said, transgender people can actually be lesbians, but the usual law of the land would apply to any unlawful issues arising from that the same has any woman.
The rest of your post was just rose tinted Obama glasses and ABC text book pcism that doesn't allow for the full complexity of the situation, nor the objections that some women have.
Males genitals to a lot of women (unless it's on whoever they have an interest in) are very threatening things. Woman aren't like men that want to look at mens bits and pieces all the time. Yes, they will be in cubicals, but woman will also know that such situations can be abuse. They will not want to freshen up, change cloths, have a piss with what they percieve as being a male (new years eve not allowing) in the same room as them. It's not just from the TG point of view, it's from both points of view, poeple like to dismiss the other side as irrelavant prejudice. There's a difference between being hateful prejudice and merely having difficulty in understanding; why would a male find Lisa snowden or Kelly Brook sexually unattractive for example?
You people also seem to think what toilet somebody uses will get rid of predjudice against TG. In the grand scheme of things that will be pretty much irrelavant, most of it will not come from there. It is not much more than an issue that can be pounced on, not unlike women who get the tits out here there and every where to feed their kids when there IS alternatives just to prove a point.
I'd like to bet right here, right now, that if any of you men that's feigning understanding and outrage at the prejudce that if some bloke came a chatting you up you would feel extremely uncomfortable, if you picked a woman up, took her home and found out she had meat and two veg, you would all flip your lids and kick her out the door in one. Some of the comments on the lady boy thread have been boarderline.
RE: US Election & Presidency - wackawoo - 23-02-2017 18:45
(23-02-2017 18:25 )MR PERFECT Wrote: [quote='MR PERFECT' pid='2005880' dateline='1487865504']
Everyone deserves to be treated with respect and dignity.
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What a surprise you have a problem with that. Your a Trumpster troll and nothing else.
Do I have a problem with it? No.
But your intolerance clearly shows your statment to be hypocritical.
You have no respect for anybody who is not a Trump hater, even if it is paranoid invented support that really isn't there.
This latest post reinforces that intollerance.
RE: US Election & Presidency - cwpussylover - 23-02-2017 18:54
wtf is all this meat and 2 veg chat on a presidency thread on a babes forum??
can we get back to mrs trumps tits n arse please
RE: US Election & Presidency - MR PERFECT - 23-02-2017 18:56
(23-02-2017 18:45 )wackawoo Wrote:Oh dear the timid Trumpster is upset oh well.(23-02-2017 18:25 )MR PERFECT Wrote: [quote='MR PERFECT' pid='2005880' dateline='1487865504']
Everyone deserves to be treated with respect and dignity.
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What a surprise you have a problem with that. Your a Trumpster troll and nothing else.
Do I have a problem with it? No.
But your intolerance clearly shows your statment to be hypocritical.
You have no respect for anybody who is not a Trump hater, even if it is paranoid invented support that really isn't there.
This latest post reinforces that intollerance.
RE: US Election & Presidency - munch1917 - 23-02-2017 19:13
Sex of birth is very relevant to this discussion.
The bill that was passed in North Carolina states that people must use the restroom according to their sex at birth. The 'Obama Ruling' effectively over-ruled that. Now that ruling has been revoked, it is back to square one (there was a court injunction putting the Bathroom Bill on hold, not sure exactly how things stand with all that right now).
It's also possible to get birth certificates changed, but only for those who have undergone surgery, and depending where the individual was actually born.
So if someone hasn't had, or can't get, their birth certificate changed after surgery, they would still be required to use the 'wrong' restroom, even though they are physically the opposite sex.
And can we all accept that transgender applies to both sexes? There are transgender males AND females, it's not just 'chicks with dicks' so let's leave that stereotype behind.
RE: US Election & Presidency - MR PERFECT - 23-02-2017 21:08
Steve Bannon
http://www.rte.ie/news/world/2017/0223/854976-bannon/
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Bannon
RE: US Election & Presidency - wackawoo - 23-02-2017 21:14
(23-02-2017 18:56 )MR PERFECT Wrote: Oh dear the timid Trumpster is upset oh well.
Well thats not very respectful.
Lying about people and not caring if they are upset.
Have a little bit more dignity.
RE: US Election & Presidency - MR PERFECT - 23-02-2017 21:27
(23-02-2017 21:14 )wackawoo Wrote:(23-02-2017 18:56 )MR PERFECT Wrote: Oh dear the timid Trumpster is upset oh well.
Well thats not very respectful.
Lying about people and not caring if they are upset.
Have a little bit more dignity.
Funny guy.
RE: US Election & Presidency - wackawoo - 23-02-2017 21:31
(23-02-2017 19:13 )munch1917 Wrote: Sex of birth is very relevant to this discussion.
The bill that was passed in North Carolina states that people must use the restroom according to their sex at birth.
Does this include post reassignment? Becasue if it does, that would be wrong. I would absoutley completely agree with you on this point.
Quote:The 'Obama Ruling' effectively over-ruled that. Now that ruling has been revoked, it is back to square one (there was a court injunction putting the Bathroom Bill on hold, not sure exactly how things stand with all that right now).
It's also possible to get birth certificates changed, but only for those who have undergone surgery, and depending where the individual was actually born.
You said it right there. If they have under gone sugery. What it states in that link, and what i have been saying, is it applies to people who FEEL like they are traped in ther wrong sexed body - PRE OP. How can you possibly keep getting that wrong? you clearly haven't read a word I have put.
Quote:So if someone hasn't had, or can't get, their birth certificate changed after surgery, they would still be required to use the 'wrong' restroom, even though they are physically the opposite sex.
And can we all accept that transgender applies to both sexes? There are transgender males AND females, it's not just 'chicks with dicks' so let's leave that stereotype behind.
You probbaly need to read my post a little more carefully, I have mentioned both male to female and female to male, that nelson eye again. But the link states that FEMALES are uncomfortable with what they perceive to be males in the toilets with them, it mentions nothing about men feeling uncomfortable with female to males in the toilet. Women and men absolutly think differently here.
I am also stating that it would be heterosexual men that are more likely to try and exploit this, has Skully already provided an example of, it would be very unlikely to be a woman to male problem.
And chicks with dicks is very offensive.